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[VIC] " fog lights" rules....

Discussion in 'General' started by kizza50, Jan 12, 2013.

  1. kizza50

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    Was coming home from the city with a mate and got pulled up by highway patrol on prinny highway. He stung me 141$ for having Fog lights on when not required.... Lol I thought he was joking. Anyway i go home laugh some more and do some research, they say driving lights are ok. And then I find the receipt for these lights because they are aftermarket due to a bumper swap from omega to ss bars. On the receipt ut says they are 100 watt h11 driving lights... What do people think???
     
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    Driving lights are at headlight line of sight anything below that are classified as fog lights and yes unless you are driving through fog or dust or smoke then they are illegal any other time having them on
     
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    Driving lights must also only come on with high beam and have an isolation switch so that high beam can be used without the driving lamps.
     
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    100w are high beam strength. I'm not surprised you got booked.
     
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    100watts isn't driving lights...
    imagine oncoming motorists copping 100watts in their eyes - no different to high beam. I often curse high power 'driving lights' for this reason!

    not sure in other states, but in Qld if the lights are factory fitted, it all depends on what the manufacturer names them. If they refer to them as fog lights, you can't use them for anything but fog and/or high beam situations. If they consider them driving lights, then you can use them under normal circumstances. However, having said that, you can only fit the same wattage lights as the OEM driving light. No way a manufacturer would fit 100W driving lights.
     
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    Driving lights do not have to be at headlight level.... And I'm not 100% sure if they are 100wat I just sent a message to my supplier on eBay. I'm going to write a letter to civic compliance explaining I just got my car back that week from insurance from a front bumper repair and was unaware they were on. And furthermore the police office had his on.. And then explain in my opinion of a qualified motor mechanic they are different to a "fog light" they are fog housings with a driving light globe.
     
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    These so called "fog lights" on cars now a days are a bastardisation of proper fog lights. They are not a true fog light.
    Fog lights have yellow lenses and vertically cut off beams. Similar to the low beam cut off on a projector headlight.
    Go to any auto store and have a look. Hella, for example.
    The purpose of this, is that the yellow light penetrates the fog and does not reflect back as white light does.
     
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    Pity the cops don't blitz it.
    Want to try driving all night with idiots with "fog lights" on with 100w globes. There is no way most of these "fog lights" have the low wattage globes in them.
     
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    Just an undate, they are 55watt halogen h11 which are driving lights.... Fog lights are yellow as previously stated, when adjusted correctly all these do are widen the wrong angle and in my opinion provide a safer night time driving experience..... I will be writing a letter to civic compliance telling them they are a driving light and not a fog light, i will be attaching photos and sections from
    The road safety act section 217 and also vic roads and further more the road worthy book from work. Can't hurt to try!! After all, they are NOT fog lights. So I was issued an incorrect ticket.
     
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    Fog lights are not always yellow, yes yellow is the best colour for visibility in fog, but its how the lens spreads the light which makes it fog or driving light.

    Double check urs before writing the letter to ensure the lens is not a fog lens, otherwise it could get messy and expensive if it ends up in court.
     
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    if it was infact a driving light,it should only come on with high beam, in which case you will probably be issued with a new fine, seeing as they are installed incorrectly, unless you had high beams on aswell
     
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    Also.. Whatever the manufacturer calls them doesn't apply.. There a measurements on the DoT websites for what classes at fog lights.. And in QLD on a sedan pretty sure anything mounted more then 100mm below headlight level is classes as a 'fog' light..
     
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    Safer for you maybe, but not safer for the other motorists who can't see properly because of your lights.

    Don't know why anything more than standard headlights are needed on the Prinny hwy?
     
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    GAMBLR More trouble than u think

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    Fog lights are usually lower mounted in the bumper to allow as much light to penetrate underneath the fog, illuminating the road and obstacles ahead. Lower down, they are meant to cause less glare from the fog itself. Holden classify their lights as Fog Lights, even though they are not yellow. Fog lights will activate at any time so long as at least the parkers are active.

    Driving lights are mounted higher up, to supplement the main high beams when required and cover a greater area in more light. They will only turn on when the high beam is on.

    Regardless of what kind of light it is, having them switched on under normal circumstances is an offence. Ans as for them coming off of eBay, theres a chance the seller doesn't know how to classify them properly.
     
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    Pass on my congratulations to the cop for finally giving out a ticket when it was actually required.
     
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    i drive a 99 wh statesman with the lights in the lower area of the front bumper (FOG LIGHTS?)these lights shine down at the road and light up about 10feet in front of the vehicle they are in no way as bright as low beam but still illegal to use in normal driving conditions.
    also have side lights that are the same brightness.when i turn, the light in that direction comes on when the indicator goes on this function can not be turned off (unless you take the globes out then you get a warning light on the dash when you indicate)
    so i am allowed to use these but not the same wattage fog light that does not blind anyone anytime. stupid rules cause of all these euro cars with there big ass super bright fog lights and the recent holden and ford cars with the bright fog lights.
    the rule should be if below a certain wattage they should be allowed but thats not how it is im afraid.

    if you dont want the fine dont do the crime you have a switch for these lights use it and you wont have a problem if they are not on.
     
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    Qld Legislation
    http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/CURRENT/T/TrantOpRUVSSR10.pdf

    Front fog lights
    (1) A pair of front fog lights may be fitted to a motor vehicle with
    4 or more wheels.
    (2) A pair of front fog lights, or a single front fog light, may be
    fitted to a motorbike or motortrike.
    (3) A pair of front fog lights fitted to a motor vehicle with 4 or
    more wheels must have the centre of each light not over
    400mm from the nearer side of the vehicle unless the centres
    of the lights are at least 600mm apart.
    (4) If the top of the front fog light is higher than the top of any
    low-beam headlight on the vehicle, the centre of the fog light
    must not be higher than the centre of the low-beam headlight.
    (5) A front fog light must—
    (a) when on—
    (i) project white or yellow light in front of the vehicle;
    and
    (ii) be a low-beam light; and
    (b) be able to be operated independently of any headlight;
    and
    (c) be fitted so the light from it does not reflect off the
    vehicle into the driver’s eyes

    Daytime running lights
    (1) A pair of daytime running lights may be fitted to a motor
    vehicle.
    (2) A pair of daytime running lights fitted to a motor vehicle with
    4 or more wheels must be fitted with the centre of each light—
    (a) at least 600mm from the centre of the other light; and
    (b) not over 510mm from the nearer side of the vehicle.
    (3) However, a pair of daytime running lights fitted to a motor
    vehicle under 1300mm wide may be fitted with the centre of
    each light not under 400mm from the centre of the other light.
    (4) When on, a daytime running light must—
    (a) show a white or yellow light visible from the front of the
    vehicle; and
    (b) not use over 25W.
    (5) Daytime running lights must be wired so they are off when a
    headlight, other than a headlight being used as a flashing
    signal, is on.
     
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    @jafo : you may think that your fog lights are shining on the road, but on a smooth surface or especially in the wet, the beam of light bounces back up into the eyes of oncoming traffic. I live on the road, I agree with those above that hate their miss use as I have been blinded on many occasions that was too bloody close to me having an accident. There is just no need for them except in the circumstances for which they were designed.
     
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    on my vy ss i added an extra relay so they only come on with high beam, was going to change the fog lights to dirving lights and add hid's but havnt found anything that will fit in the bumper bar properly.
     

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