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Forget HEISENBERG - HANENBERGER is the one!

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Without doubt the best grand poo-bah Holden ever had, yet shafted into early retirement in the early-mid 2000's coz 'merika knew better, Peter Hanenberger opens up about Holden and GM of now.

https://www.motoring.com.au/hanenberger-its-not-my-gm-anymore-109467/

Holden’s greatest living leader Peter Hanenberger has turned his back on General Motors, the company to which he devoted his 45-year working life.

Hanenberger worked at Holden in two separate influential stints. The first time between 1976-1982 he was seconded as a young engineer from Opel and earned the nickname ‘Handling-berger’ for his key role in dramatically improving the woeful chassis dynamics of Holdens. He returned from 1999-2003 as chairman and managing director. He is now 76 and retired to his home town of Wiesbaden in Germany.


He has watched from a distance as Holden has been reduced from a complete automotive business capable of designing, engineering and manufacturing cars to selling and marketing imports.

“This was just pure mismanagement to let a company down like this,” he says.
 

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Well RTS was good in the Torana Gemini and HZ Holden's and VB Commodores, but went to crap with the VC due to backwards Aussies complaining that they wanted pig understeer.

In the USA they also have RTS in some GM performance cars of the same years, I wonder if the burger went to help them with that.

The USA has been going down hill badly out of control for more than 20 years with just total morons selling their Nation out full on, with just totally stupid deals and that's a fact and the only person who points to the reality of such filthy criminals, is President Donald Trump the greatest leader the USA will ever have and speaks his own mind like a real man should, no one would of came out crying about Trump 30 years ago ranting and raving like spoilt brats and that's a fact.

Nowadays it's all about sucking up to all the pathetic wind bag good for nothings, so no wonder the Nations Roo Ted and Australia has been infected with the same pox, so it has not got a hope in hell for a future, as well as it is just becoming the white trash of Asia.

Fact is we never did have a car industry that could cut it ever in Australia, it was always subsidised from the beginning with Tariffs and no one complained about it until the last 5 years or so and all the weevils came out crying, where were all the weevils crying from 1948 about it all back then. people were proud to do such back then promoting jobs and tradesmen building a Nation and bringing in people from other Nations who seen their was future here so quality people would bother to come, but we are now been hell bent on rolling out the red carpet supporting every 3dr rate good for nothings to come here and sit on their arse and get the rockenroll for the rest of their life.

Trump is worried about the Nation he loves and has had a gut full of seeing where it was heading, I don't think he can save it because to many of the people are just trash.
 

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All car manufacturing around the world is subsidised to some degree!

Trump, great. Not 2 words I'd put in the same sentence.......
 

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Well RTS was good in the Torana Gemini and HZ Holden's and VB Commodores, but went to crap with the VC due to backwards Aussies complaining that they wanted pig understeer.

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that is actually not correct.
Yeah, Peter Handling berger made VB a very good handling VERY responsive automobile
.... def different from what had been offered up by Holden (like HQ-HX) or Ford (think XA) previously
and
GMH got feedback that customers (especially country customers) did not like that a car
that handled like that

from VC on, GMH changed the spring and shock rates rates and front end settings and 'softened' (probably the best word)
the handling response. But no way would Hanenberger countenanced bringing back understeer the way it
used to be.
 

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Well RTS was good in the Torana Gemini and HZ Holden's and VB Commodores, but went to crap with the VC due to backwards Aussies complaining that they wanted pig understeer.

In the USA they also have RTS in some GM performance cars of the same years, I wonder if the burger went to help them with that.

The USA has been going down hill badly out of control for more than 20 years with just total morons selling their Nation out full on, with just totally stupid deals and that's a fact and the only person who points to the reality of such filthy criminals, is President Donald Trump the greatest leader the USA will ever have and speaks his own mind like a real man should, no one would of came out crying about Trump 30 years ago ranting and raving like spoilt brats and that's a fact.

Nowadays it's all about sucking up to all the pathetic wind bag good for nothings, so no wonder the Nations Roo Ted and Australia has been infected with the same pox, so it has not got a hope in hell for a future, as well as it is just becoming the white trash of Asia.

Fact is we never did have a car industry that could cut it ever in Australia, it was always subsidised from the beginning with Tariffs and no one complained about it until the last 5 years or so and all the weevils came out crying, where were all the weevils crying from 1948 about it all back then. people were proud to do such back then promoting jobs and tradesmen building a Nation and bringing in people from other Nations who seen their was future here so quality people would bother to come, but we are now been hell bent on rolling out the red carpet supporting every 3dr rate good for nothings to come here and sit on their arse and get the rockenroll for the rest of their life.

Trump is worried about the Nation he loves and has had a gut full of seeing where it was heading, I don't think he can save it because to many of the people are just trash.
how's he a great leader? he just lies all the time, he's one of those people who just makes stuff up all of the time even when it doesn't make any sense
 

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how's he a great leader? he just lies all the time, he's one of those people who just makes stuff up all of the time even when it doesn't make any sense
What planet are you living on? He has the points on the board. Transformed the handling of Holden's in the late 70's, oversaw the transformation from traditional Holdens to the VB, then led the company during its most successful model and market expansion, including new markets in the Middle East and the US.

I suppose you imagine you could do better?
 

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that is actually not correct.
Yeah, Peter Handling berger made VB a very good handling VERY responsive automobile
.... def different from what had been offered up by Holden (like HQ-HX) or Ford (think XA) previously
and
GMH got feedback that customers (especially country customers) did not like that a car
that handled like that

from VC on, GMH changed the spring and shock rates rates and front end settings and 'softened' (probably the best word)
the handling response. But no way would Hanenberger countenanced bringing back understeer the way it
used to be.
I bought a new 1995 VS V6 ute and what a understeering bucket it was and then wild un controllable oversteer and I had a XG ute at the same time and that would never understeer ever, I had to mod the VS put more neg camber to make it handle like it should of done.
I had 3 VS commodores from new.
A mate had a 4.2l 4SP VB and you could not put a foot wrong with that car you could drive it as hard as you could and it responded spot on, but one has to know how to drive in the first place as the right peddle is used to make it steer where you want it to go and the 6 cyl don't have the power to make it as easy as the 4.2L.. the VB steering was a bit of a pain as to sitting on the highway straights and you had to give a bit more effort to make slight corrections as it was slightly more heavy just off centre but you got used to it.

HZ and WB were great but if you get a wheel alignment nowadays they stuff it all up with a mod to make it understeer like a HQ and they pride themselves on this everywhere, turning a good handling car into a bucket of.

Even the VL Turbo was a understeering bucket.
The VN-P were shocking rubbish and the IRS was just garbage that made the rear end act spastic when pushed past 8 10ths.

The feed back that GMH got back was from dopy people who were only used to driving rubbish.
 

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What planet are you living on? He has the points on the board. Transformed the handling of Holden's in the late 70's, oversaw the transformation from traditional Holdens to the VB, then led the company during its most successful model and market expansion, including new markets in the Middle East and the US.

I suppose you imagine you could do better?
I think CoffeeMonster was talking abut Trump Cal.
 

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how's he a great leader? he just lies all the time, he's one of those people who just makes stuff up all of the time even when it doesn't make any sense
Leadership is about foresight and direction, non of that happened with Obama or Bush, Ragan started the puppet show.
They all lie, they have to lie, that's the main part of the qualifications to become Premier PM or President.
They all have made stuff ups and when it does not make sense, it's got to do with something you don't understand the depth of or the media just diddle with the dilettante naiveness of the public that are strung along with all the Political Correct jibberish that they have been pushing for the last 20 years and is full on now. so that people can't think for themselves and let the media peddle what ever, controlling their minds.
Everyone knows everything about Trump, who he was and how great he was, a proven man.
No one knew Obama or anything about his past it's all hidden, he was a no body and the strange thing is that all are oblivious to this due to the medias talents that can make anyone look bad or good regardless of the facts.
Hey ! the media try to make trump out to be some no body (that is a full on lie) how many people could claim his credentials, not even 1% of the population could claim such ability's in fact.

The media is full of lies because it is owned by 90% of Zionist Jews who are Satanic pricks and not true Jews who follow in the Old Testament and Holy Moses, in fact they reject the true Jewish belief and follow a Satanic Talmud that is even more evil than Islam. A person who worships the Talmud can lie all they want and play any sort of games to their ends just like Islam does.

Islam and Talmud are Political Correct ideology's, the fact is anything 'political' is never truly correct in fact, so political and correct is a lie, it can not gel because they are poles apart in fact, so it is truly only just political ideology of socialism and it's under the god of socialism that all people become enslaved, Holy Moses led the people out of slavery remember and the People who wanted to kill him created that idol the Golden Calf, well that Golden Calf represents Political Correctness not God as Moses did.

The People who have been controlling the USA for years have been at work undermining everything to do with God and bankrupting the Nation, no one could truly so stupid not to understand that the destruction of the USA has been in fact all planed.
We are on a path that is going to create a New World Order where one government will control the whole world the dude who leads it will be claimed as god and all will have to idolise him or you will be killed and he will wipe out most of the worlds populations because if science says X amount have to be exterminated too save say Climate Change it will be done.
You become cattle and nothing more.
 

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^^^ here we go again with the religious crap. How about we keep this thread on topic!

Also, if you want to talk politics I suggest you take it to the politics thread.

I bought a new 1995 VS V6 ute and what a understeering bucket it was and then wild un controllable oversteer and I had a XG ute at the same time and that would never understeer ever, I had to mod the VS put more neg camber to make it handle like it should of done.
I had 3 VS commodores from new.
A mate had a 4.2l 4SP VB and you could not put a foot wrong with that car you could drive it as hard as you could and it responded spot on, but one has to know how to drive in the first place as the right peddle is used to make it steer where you want it to go and the 6 cyl don't have the power to make it as easy as the 4.2L.. the VB steering was a bit of a pain as to sitting on the highway straights and you had to give a bit more effort to make slight corrections as it was slightly more heavy just off centre but you got used to it.

HZ and WB were great but if you get a wheel alignment nowadays they stuff it all up with a mod to make it understeer like a HQ and they pride themselves on this everywhere, turning a good handling car into a bucket of.

Even the VL Turbo was a understeering bucket.
The VN-P were shocking rubbish and the IRS was just garbage that made the rear end act spastic when pushed past 8 10ths.

The feed back that GMH got back was from dopy people who were only used to driving rubbish.
OEM make cars understeer for a reason.
 

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^^^ here we go again with the religious crap. How about we keep this thread on topic!

Also, if you want to talk politics I suggest you take it to the politics thread.



OEM make cars understeer for a reason.
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Is the ban stick away being overhauled or has it been retired? This fool needs a soapbox in the Sydney Domain, not a Commodore forum.
 

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In the past I have seen complaints about mods been heavy handed with the ban stick in these types of situations and I wouldn't want to seen as biased.
 

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Seriously - how da fuq do you manage to link this thread with religion? Does anything have anything intelligent to say regarding the OT?
 

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In the past I have seen complaints about mods been heavy handed with the ban stick in these types of situations and I wouldn't want to seen as biased.
I think you'd be pretty safe in this case. Frankly, ZT's rants depart from normal discussion and I'd question the sanity of anybody who carries on the way he does.

He makes Hotrod look like a genius.
 

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I think you'd be pretty safe in this case. Frankly, ZT's rants depart from normal discussion and I'd question the sanity of anybody who carries on the way he does.

He makes Hotrod look like a genius.
for some reason Calaber , I get this feeling that ZT is a reincarnation of a former banned forum member , the names Hotrod, Big Al , or our old mate Sheldon pop into my head , maybe its my albeit former , coppers instinct kicking in .
 

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for some reason Calaber , I get this feeling that ZT is a reincarnation of a former banned forum member , the names Hotrod, Big Al , or our old mate Sheldon pop into my head , maybe its my albeit former , coppers instinct kicking in .
I had the same impression. The thing is I can't recall any previous member even touching on religion, whereas this bloke seems obsessed by it.

I suspect it's trolling but I don't think many of us even bother reading his rubbish now so he's wasting his time creating it.
 

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I had the same impression. The thing is I can't recall any previous member even touching on religion, whereas this bloke seems obsessed by it.

I suspect it's trolling but I don't think many of us even bother reading his rubbish now so he's wasting his time creating it.
reading his posts is like watching an obese person in a spandex body suit on a treadmill , I know I shouldn't yet I cannot look away .
 

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^^^ here we go again with the religious crap. How about we keep this thread on topic!

Also, if you want to talk politics I suggest you take it to the politics thread.



OEM make cars understeer for a reason.
Yes do you think that I don't know that they make cars understeer for a reason, it's for retards you know, people who are hopeless drivers who don't know how to control a car.

It's to do with ignorance of the Australian people in general, the political twerps go on about speed kills BS, I say ignorance is the biggest factor, not a deranged mantra that speed kills truly that is a blind ignorant statement at best, that truly goes no where but is only truly spun to propping up the coffers.
Speed can be a factor and surely don't drive like a twerp, but many crashes has noting to do with exceeding the posted limit.
I am all for people learning how to control a car, but the governments sure the hell are not, in fact they bag such training because they say it will create hoons.

Now Peter Hannenberger came up with the RTS, it was a safety program designed to help people get out of trouble and that what it truly was all about and he shows Bill Tuckey what a car must do, in Wheels oct 1978 you can read what he is truly on about, poor old Bill is blown away and has no idea, he argues claims about shock absorbers but Peter knows it's all about geometry and that dampers only control the function of controlling that geometry's speed rate. so that if the geometry is bad shocks will not trump bad geometry.
Geometry is first and foremost, shocks are a control of that geometry damping progression at work function.
The VB was a very well balanced car you could hang the tail out with predictable fully control able oversteer, old mate use to go down on the footy oval and cut loose with perfectly controlled slides and never got out of control. ha and he did it for free.

CoffyMonster asked the question about Trump and most people do not have a clue because they think that the media is above question, idolised in fact as the truth and nothing but the truth, when in fact it's controlled by degenerates working to fool the people and not reporting factual points of views. it's a conniving one sided media pushing their own Socialist dictating agenda.
 

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.... Frankly, ZT's rants depart from normal discussion and I'd question the sanity of anybody who carries on the way he does. He makes Hotrod look like a genius.
funniest thing I have seen here in a long time...... :p
 
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