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Fuel issue on steep decline driveway?

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by snortings, Nov 22, 2018.

  1. Skylarking

    Skylarking Well-Known Member

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    Glad to hear the repair costs have been sorted out in your favour.

    I’d expect you shouldn’t have any more issues as I’d think everything that could have caused the problems should have been fixed or checked via the strip down and repair process.

    If you still have starting issues post repair, there will be some embarrassment going around with may be a little egg on some faces. But for now consider it a good outcome and enjoy driving away in the mornings without concern for fuel tank levels, which way you park and such things.
     
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    Yup! No longer need to worry if my car will have trouble starting the next morning :D
     
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    Thought I'd let you know, everything seems well so far! There were a few tiny rattles on the flat that happened twice, but maybe it's just getting worn in or something. Hasn't done it since and has started perfectly each time on the driveway with no cranking or rattles :D

    Very happy. Once again, thank you.
     
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    ^ Glad it’s all been up hill after the warranty fix ;)

    As for the tiny rattles on the flat, may be those tiny rattles are the engine pinging due to bad fuel or worn spark plugs. Could be worth putting a tank of the good go juice in it and/or checking your spark plugs. If the spark plugs are the type that can be re-gapped do so otherwise replace them with factory equivalent. If it’s pinging of course, otherwise monitor the noise and if it continues discuss it with the dealer.
     
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    Funny you speak of Spark plugs, they've had to delay the 120,00kms service due to this issue which includes changing all of the spark plugs. They didn't want to do the service until the car was fixed, apparently the service can be drawn out to 12 months and provided in writing (which they have) as to why the service was not done in the 9 months timeframe.

    Though seeing as though everything has gone well, I booked in the service a few days later which is 2 weeks away so they'll all get changed then. Now that I think about it, I did fill up after I heard the rattle and it hasn't been back since. I'd say the fuel was eventually starting to go bad considering it was sitting at the dealership for quite some time waiting on Holden Customer Care regarding if they'd cover the full cost or not.
     
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    Spoke too soon @Skylarking, the rattle is back :( Time to record and back to Holden... it sucks that it was good for about a week but now it's returned. It's the same sound they heard and diagnosed as the chain slipping, so I wonder if they put the computer back on it and record the chains to see if it is slipping again.
     
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    I doubt that sound was anything to do with the timing chains in the first place after watching your video. Who pays for the change of timing chains? The dealer or Holden?
     
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    I believe it would be Holden themselves. We got told from the dealer that 'Holden will be covering all costs'.

    But they believe it was the timing chains as they'd come around to my house, plug a logging thing into it, start the car and it'll rattle, then they'd send it off to Holden technicians. They saw that the timing chain on drivers side was slipping and they had to confirm it when they pulled the front case off before they could make a case for payment to Holden. Holden came back happy with the diagnosis and said they'd cover it.

    When I get home in a few hours I will take a photo of the paper I got back from the dealership with what they did :)
     
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    I wonder if they looked at crank angle sesnor and cam sensor
     
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    I remember them saying on the phone something about the cam sensor when they 'found' the problem. I got shown the software that was plugged into my car and it could see everything and he showed me the cam sensor & actuator etc
     
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    My vf2 ss does it as well when the fuel light is on. Ive checked fuel pressure etc and no dramas anywhere so I put it down as a fuel tank design issue. They are an odd shaped tank and I suspect susceptible to air lock when the fuel cools down when it sits for awhile on a slope but dont quote me on it its just a hunch
     
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    So today it did the winding over, so both issues are now back.

    Technicians are back involved and want to re visit old ground to ensure they haven’t missed anything relating to oil pressure. So I’m getting the gauge put back on Monday. Keep everyone updated...

     
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    Been a while since I posted anything in here. The oil gauge has been on for about 2 or so weeks and got a few videos to send off to the technicians.

    They now want the dealership to take off the oil sump and replace some o-ring and check the suction tubes for the oil. They're going to check for any metal in the oil, and if it is well not sure what happens then. Technicians think that air is seeping into somewhere which is doing something bla bla it's just another circle again.

    Dealership said they'd (Holden) most likely cover the costs again, but don't know how many times they'd do that. I drop the car off on Monday and get it back on Wednesday.

    Keep you all updated with what the outcome is.
     
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    So they pulled the sump off and checked the o-ring and the suction tube but they were both fine, no metal in the sump either. They cut open the oil filter to have a look inside and there was a tiny bit of metal in it and some silicon, but they said the silicon is probably some leftovers from the timing chain replacement.

    They rang the technicians from Melbourne again and asked what they want to do next (turns out they worked on the queen's birthday). Technicians have said to replace the oil pump, which involves pulling the whole front off again... dealership said they're pretty certain it'll be at Holden's cost again. I'm not too sure why they want to replace the oil pump but one of them said if there isn't oil pressure then the car wont start.

    It'll be interesting to see how many parts they can replace until they're out of ideas :p
     
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    LFX for LSA surely
     
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    Well... seems like Holden has pulled the plug on my car. I think the story I got told was to just push me away, or in other words, don't come back because we don't know what's wrong. I'd greatly appreciate some help in what to do next, as I'm feeling very stuck now.

    We got told that a local technician in my region came in to talk to my dealership, to which he said that the alternator is the common problem and has seen many the same as mine. But the thing is, he never told Melbourne technicians that it was an issue with the car that he found out. We asked the dealership as to why that technician did not inform Holden themselves about it being a common problem, but the service manager didn't know why but wondered the same thing as it cost Holden a lot of money for guess work and the problem is still not solved.

    The technician then told Melbourne about the issue and to which they came back with they're certain it’s the alternator now, but the catch is that there is no fix for it (apparently). They have told us that they were aware of this issue with the alternator and were working on a remedy before production finished, but they couldn't fix the issue in time before they had to close down. They now say that it is normal (which it completely isn't) for it to do it, as they are aware of the issue but could not rectify it in time. To test their theory that it was in fact the alternator, they changed the timing chain on their dummy car (years ago in production) but the noise was still there. They then took the alternator belt off of the car, the noise disappeared, and it no longer had trouble starting. As my issue was when the car is on the angle of our driveway, it would do it, but when they took the alternator belt off & done it on normal flat ground, of course it wouldn’t do it.


    Not sure about most of you, but this all seems a little too well made-up to me. If it was the alternator, why does it only happen on a downward angle? I honestly do not know what to do now. As far as I know, the case with Holden isn't going any further. Essentially, they've given up and don't know. I was pretty much told that they (Holden) cannot do anymore for the issue, or in other words, don't come back again. Do they really expect me to swallow that excuse? The thing that gets me about ‘they ran out of time’, is well if they ran out of time to fix it, then why can they still issue recalls for parts that they know are faulty (such as the current power steering recall and takata airbags).


    If someone could give me some pointers on where to go with this, it’d be greatly appreciated. Should I get back onto HCC? What would I say..? I know that my dealership doesn’t really have much to do with it, he just speaks what he gets told from Holden. The dealership is essentially the middle-man in the case and the one that does what they say (repair wise).


    Cheers guys
     
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    Maybe don't park it on a steep driveway then problem solved. Stupid solution but it stops your issue.
     
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    Whilst it does stop my issue, I shouldn’t have to not park my car in my own driveway.
     
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    If anyone is still interested in this...

    My father recently got a call from Holden regarding a survey he completed about his new Equinox as he said he could smell gas at certain points etc. About a month or so after buying a new car, they'll send you a survey to complete. They rang him to make a case for the aircon, then he started to talk about my car. The guy on the phone was absolutely disgusted with how I have been treated by Holden and have created a new case with a higher team to deal with it, I'll now be assigned a case manager and everything which I never had.

    Seems like things might actually start to be moving forward.
     
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    Good luck & hope they work it out for you.
     

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