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Discussion in 'The Pub' started by HERONVY, Mar 24, 2014.
Easier to wield lots of little sticks than a few very big sticks.
Viva le revolution.
Neither the 60's Pommy Viva, or the 00's Korean Viva were in any way a revolution.
Trev wrote.... How will they be able to tell how far you driven to charge you, a black box will cost millions to fit every car, not just that if its done with gps isn't that another big brother issue, no where to hide.. Another way to monitor your movements.
In NSW it would be easy with yearly roadworthy certificates.
The Gubbermint sends you a rego renewal, you get a roadworthy certificate which shows the odometer reading, this reported back to the RMS which calculates how far you have driven during the year, and charges you the appropriate amount.
Brilliant idea. I should be a politician. Gladys, are you a member of this forum ? Hope not.
Well, I dunno about that. The HA Viva spun pretty easily.
Oh, what a shame, the cog in the odometer stopped working
Just think of all the new cars with Navigation or similar, they are already able to track you if they really wanted to.
and in all honesty, id be happy if rego/insurance was based on KMs travelled. One of the cars has averaged about 700kms a year, id be keen for the cost of rego/insurance to be dropped by a lot. Although between the other vehicles id be a bit screwed because of travelling 30-50k kms a year with work.
Its the same size stick, just being used on the many little people rather than on the few big people
An e-tag system would enable cars to be tracked and cost assessed. Expensive and complex to install and maintain, but guess who pays? The tags would be issued at the initial rego for the EV and start working once the tag reader infrastructure was installed.
We're already being tracked, via Number Plate Recognition Cameras...
Not just for the police, every state government camera feeds in to NPR software.
Just about all government vehicles have cameras fitted now, major intersections as well plus all the cities CCTV's...
Big Brother has been watching for quite awhile...
Yes in the city not out in the country.
That will fail as you have to go thru a checkpoint.
What about the non-electric odometer you can wind it back, electric ones you can put a bypass switch, which ever way they go people will find away around it even if they put a blackbox in the car, you can bypass that also or block the signial. Best system is what we have right now only other system they can do is pay for the whole day u choose to drive, dont see that happening.
I dont think nothing will change untill we go electric completly then they charge you when you top up with electricity.
I suppose if they work out how far you go per km in your car they can charge you the extra on top of your fuel to pay for the road use, but even that system will need to have concession prices. A card be the way to go with your price and car uses, like if you get 50L of fuel and your car uses 10L per 100km then they can charge you for 500km in road use at what ever the cost they set for you, if your a pensioner or on welfare you get the concession rate, But then you could fill up a 20L jerry can and say its for your ride on, be interesting how they do it without being hacked..
all cars last few years if not longer have GPS so easy to track, also most have sim card now for use with internet/music ect so once again easy to track, also all vehicles with airbags have inertia switches so it not hard to track a car based on direction or movement same as your phone so who knows what the ecu is really recording, speed, steering angle is all u need for an algorithm to follow a map once u know start point from the ping on the sim card network...
Gps on cars are not trackable you don't need to register them to work, so unless your name is on the system they cant track you, smartphones yes it has your name and phone number to track you on or off.
Not a problem, don't put too much logic into this.
The Gubbermint will send you a refund if the km reading is less than last year's km reading …………… cos that's how Gubbermints work.
Google already knows almost everything about you, same for Facebook and other social media providers. How many friends you have, how often you seen them, your travel itinerary, past holidays, future holiday plans, where you work, how much leisure time you have, where you go during your leisure times, what car you own, how much you drive, how much you earn and your spending habits, your religious and political affiliations. Collectively they know everything about us so we’re all basically open books and privacy is now a scalable commodity.
Back when these companies were first formed and started to gather such personal information, the population at large didn’t seem concerned at what data was being amassed about each of us. Whether you used such platforms or not, they were gathering data about you via your friends who were using such platforms. Privacy is well and truely gone but even today most seem not to be concerned.
Though most have heard of Google, Facebook and it’s ilk, many wouldn’t have heard of Digital Recognition Networks and Vigilant Solutions and it’s ubiquitous camera setup in the USA snapping number plates and creating a database of travel at a phenomenal rate. Their catch call seems to be “All roads lead to revenue with DRN’s license plate recognition technology”.
@Trevor loves holden., I think you are having what is a common trend these days and that’s a failure of imagination... Cameras are everywhere, including the Hume where they are used to ensure truck drivers are taking their prescribed rest brakes, provide point to point speed checks and issue fines and generally snap anyone who drives this country road but the possibilities such systems provide don’t stop at these few uses.
It’s the beginning of a new taxation regiment and the privatisation of anti-privacy. Meanwhile the argument that you don’t have anything to worry about unless you have something criminal to hide is also a failure of imagination. If history has taught us anything it is that what is legal today can easily be criminalised tomorrow. Any of us could end up one the wrong side of some arbitrarily drawn line just because of our religious, political or some other affiliations or simply because of the colour of our hair.
Let’s hope that the populace wakes up to their failure of imagination and counters the loss of privacy, the business privatisation of our lives and an over zealous government hell bent on taxing us to death, before it’s too late. Sadly I think that day is past.
Well and truly past.
And then robodebt you to death when they realise their mistake.
In SA at the moment. I managed to fill up at 1.33 a litre for 95, 91 being 1.21, and 98 being 1.43, which was not enough economy savings over 95 to justify an extra 10c a litre above 95. Today driving around and 91 shot up 48c per litre. Wholll at 1.69 that is 4c above the price of 95 in Launceston. Man talk about cycling far out never seen a 48c same day jump per litre ever, that is insane.
Crude oil at $53.11c a barrel so prices should be around $1.10 P/L, Oil was $110 a barrel when Bush junior declared war after blowing up the twin towers and it was only 170c a litter, if you half that then fuel should 85c a litter with the current price.
First time I had heard of Bush junior being accused of blowing up the twin towers.
How else was he going to fulfil his daddies dream and go to war, he had to make it happen some how.
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