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Discussion in 'VR - VS' started by GTP 85, Dec 6, 2006.

  1. GTP 85

    GTP 85 291 hp @ the wheels

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    It's had a lot of development over the last 7 or more years. People would give me the "why bother with a six? Get a v8" line all the time. So i bought a v8 daily (used to be a VN 5L, now VR SS). Still to this day i get more satisfaction from modifying the v6! I much prefer the challenge of making somthing slow go quick.

    I dont think i kept my heathcote time slips. over the last 3 trips there ive done almost 100 passes, so i threw a lot of the slips out. Will have to search for it. Might still be hiding in the car.
     
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    GTP 85 291 hp @ the wheels

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    Thanks. No NOS, no forced induction.. just pure v6 grunt lol. New dual plenum manifold is in the making. so more efficiency and more power on the way. I just want to see how far i can push 3.8 naturally aspirated. I've got a spare low km ecotec and manual in the shed that i mite put into a VP and go turbo on that
     
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    PaRaDoX Because Racecouch...

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    There is quite alot that can be done to squeaze power out of them as most people know the heads are the most restrictive part. I guess the reason people go for the 8s is because power is easier had. Eventually you'll hit the limit of HP per CID. Either way it makes more power than my 5L ever did and my L67 VT

    I had to same thing when i built my 7mgte, everyone goes 1JZ/2JZ and i wanted something different, makes over 300rwkw+ on several dyno's :)
     
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    Interesting thread and nice car.

    I built a NA 3.8 for my Ute end of last year and am about to convert it to manual.
    Soon I'm going to make a twin throttlebody manifold of some description similar to the VL-VN Group A and fit a slightly more aggressive cam.

    How's the new manifold coming along?
     
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  5. GTP 85

    GTP 85 291 hp @ the wheels

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    So far just planning a few things out with the tuner. Deciding whether to cut the LIM runners rught down to the base plate, and work from there... or to start from where the plenum bolts up to the LIM, and go from there. Will most probably be the latter so that everything is removable and able to be returned to stock plenum if need be.

    Also discussing with another contact whether to go stainless pipes or ally. I like the idea of stainless... would look tough as
     
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    Some very nice work mate. I like the idea of stainless too.
     
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    vscom88 Andrew-

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    Very nice, i noticed the dyno report said 23x HP, is that accurate ? My vs made like 222 on the new motor from memory
     
  8. GTP 85

    GTP 85 291 hp @ the wheels

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    234 hp was with totally stock internals (apart from big cam) with 163 xxxkms. I reckon the very last tune up on the stock engine with cam PLUS a bigger exhaust made 250hp at the wheels, but i cant find that dyno graph amongst all my piles of graphs
     
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    Hey mate, what were the biggest things for power gain in your car?
    I'm hoping to get a pretty quick N/A Ecotec, would be happy with low 14's but would like to break 13.
    Got a few mods on there atm, just wondering what some recommendations are?
    I prefer my low end power too if it helpos
     
  10. GTP 85

    GTP 85 291 hp @ the wheels

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    Thats pretty hard to answer specifically... The power jumped substantially with the extra compression and ported heads. There's also been over 20 hours on the dyno testing and tweaking the tune up to get THE very best from the combo.

    to make a quick car its a combination of many things... its not necessarily power as you should know.

    Before i went totally extreme with this car, i did basic mods that were very effective. CAI, Extractors, twin cats and free flowing exhaust. shiftkit, 3.9's LSD, 1.8 rockers. It was a demon on the street and the 5L's were a pushover. With these mods you should be in the high 14's at minimum.... 14.7-14.9

    Then i wanted to go faster and make more grunt, so roll on stage II. ground up engine build, purpose built cam, all new valve train etc etc. I'd say that most of the time on the engine was spent on porting the intake and exhaust tracts. There's still more power to be had out of this combo, but im saving for my house.

    Preserving low down urge is a tough one.... as most engine mods on v6's are most effective at mid to top end. IMO the v6 is the best down low when they are bone stock! You can get cam grinds that are suited to low end? sticking to a single 2.25 exhaust will keep it 'pokey' around town. definitely fit a shiftkit. with 3.9s and LSD in it too it'll be a snappy street car.

    Hope that helps :)
     
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    Just do a skid already!
     
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    Cheers for the writeup haha. Yeah at the moment got CAI, Extractors and full 2.5inch system, with a bored out TB. Looking at 3.7 LSD and 1.95 rockers soon, then the mace spacers, and finally some transmission work.
     
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    Pull the engine out - rebuild it
    Don't bother modifying it while its in the car to much effort to go to all to wonder how your bottom end is going to hold up.

    I must of done something wrong in my build, i got 223 HP with standard rocker ratio, maybe i should of kept the 1.8 ratio and that would of bumped me up to 233 HP or something. I can tell ya it was a bloody expensive build i assure you that much with ecotecs. parts are not on demand as such like 308 and 304 etc. Set of rockers, springs and valves depending on what type you get you can be looking not to far off 2000 $
     
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    GTP 85 291 hp @ the wheels

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    If you dont have the dollars to do a full refresh the stock bottom end will still press out some good numbers!

    The very first v6 i tinkered with was a 250 xxx odd kay donk. Still had good compression and copped a flogging. Put HR rockers, cam, double row chain and valve springs on it and the only parts that started to tire were the valve guides. She'd puff out smoke for a few seconds on start up. I pulled this engine down before it died and internally it was pretty good! all bearings were good, bores were ok... but the valves rattled in their guides lol.
     
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    Yeah I have been looking around from some rebuild quotes. Mine has just hit 200k, so getting there.
     
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    hurry up an finish the N/A and go super six :D
     
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    GTP 85 291 hp @ the wheels

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    My six is already super! thanks for asking. lol
     
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    Haha true. Can't wait to go for a ride around lala again :)
     
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    GTP 85 291 hp @ the wheels

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    Can anyone help me out with why I cant edit my first post? there's no edit button?

    PM'ed a couple moderators about it any havent heard squat back
     
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    Froggz Less talk, More Torque.

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