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GM Bankrupcy?

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On the other hand, they are one of the few divisions which GM could ask a premium price for, thus potentially receiving many years profit now which may hold the wolves from the door for several more days. I don't think they will sell Holden myself but don't be suprised if they do.

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If it comes to that, Lets hope Holden can operate as normal. I don't mind Holden moving away from GM ownership. Infact it might be a better thing for Holden ?.
 

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How would Holden go about getting it's V8 engines though. Wouldn't it loose access to the GM parts bin for future development?
 

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If it comes to that, Lets hope Holden can operate as normal. I don't mind Holden moving away from GM ownership. Infact it might be a better thing for Holden ?.

The best thing would be for Holden to be snapped up by a Jap or Euro maker. Hell, even the Koreans. Look at Hyundai. Their quality improvements are surpassing Holden!

How would Holden go about getting it's V8 engines though. Wouldn't it loose access to the GM parts bin for future development?

It wouldn't be a great loss.

Imagine if Holden was bought out by a company like Audi or VW? Their V8 and high performance expertise easily surpasses GM in my opinion.

But it ain't gonna happen though.....
 

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The best thing would be for Holden to be snapped up by a Jap or Euro maker. Hell, even the Koreans. Look at Hyundai. Their quality improvements are surpassing Holden!
Yes that would be nice, And your right about Hyundai they are leading the Korean quality by a mile.
Holden could help them get into the ring with a few Euro cars.
 

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It wouldn't be a great loss.

Imagine if Holden was bought out by a company like Audi or VW? Their V8 and high performance expertise easily surpasses GM in my opinion.

But it ain't gonna happen though.....

Im pretty sure Audi and VW make nothing close to the Gen IV V8's power in that price range.

A 317kw crate engine for $6,000. They're a fantastic engine for the price, with their power and torque curves and still maintaining good fuel economy for their size. Mate them to the transmissions you find in Audi and VW and put them in a car with their dynamics and it would be a very good combination.

Go to VW or Audi and you'd be looking at $20,000+++ and lets face it, why buy a Commodore with an Audi engine if its going to cost the same as an Audi...

Anyway, there is plenty of potential there, just look at the ZR1.
 

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Im pretty sure Audi and VW make nothing close to the Gen IV V8's power in that price range.

A 317kw crate engine for $6,000. They're a fantastic engine for the price, with their power and torque curves and still maintaining good fuel economy for their size. Mate them to the transmissions you find in Audi and VW and put them in a car with their dynamics and it would be a very good combination.

Go to VW or Audi and you'd be looking at $20,000+++ and lets face it, why buy a Commodore with an Audi engine if its going to cost the same as an Audi...

Anyway, there is plenty of potential there, just look at the ZR1.

Refinement, regardless of how cheap the Commodore is there's a reason why - it's very basic compared to those cars (everything about them from materials to feeling) and even their engines... I would sacrifice power and performance for a more refined family car, after all it's going to be driven on the road only. If I wanted a sporty car which I can take to the track occasionally the Falcon would be my pick (in terms of new cars - F6E if they build it) but for a road only car give me European if I could afford it any day (thus why I own a Commodore - I can't)
 

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Refinement, regardless of how cheap the Commodore is there's a reason - it's very basic compared to those cars... I would rather have less power but a more refined family car, afterall it's going to be driven on the road only. If I wanted a sporty car the Falcon would be my pick (in terms of new cars) for the occasional track car which can be driven daily but for a road only car give me European if I could afford it any day (thus why I own a Commodore!!)

...Exactly. With Audi/VW drivetrains do you think you could still afford a Commodore? If you could, there'd be European alternatives as the price gap would be marginal.
 

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...Exactly. With Audi/VW drivetrains do you think you could still afford a Commodore? If you could, there'd be European alternatives as the price gap would be marginal.

The drivetrain isn't the only differentiating factor between an Audi and a Holden... GM Holden's reputation is for building affordable cars with the most expensive coming in under $100,000aud (not affordable at that point). German car makers most expensive far exceed this mark.
 

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The drivetrain isn't the only differentiating factor between an Audi and a Holden...

No obviously. But the rest of an Audi is generally alot better quality. Build quality, safety etc. So if the price gap is only small, what car do you think many will choose? The Audi parts in a cheaper Holden base with less features, inferior build quality and safety, or the Audi parts in an actual Audi...

But the drivetrain will be responsible for a substantial increase in price. As you'd know, german made engines and components are considerably more expensive than the V8's we use that are made in Mexico.
 
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