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How would Holden go about getting it's V8 engines though. Wouldn't it loose access to the GM parts bin for future development?

It's been reported that HSV have been playing with a German makers engines, I'm sure Holden could buy the equipment to create these engines here in Australia -or- make a deal to purchase them from GM (if GM still makes them in as large batches as they are which they will because they've shot themselves in the foot making this new Camaro)
 

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pfft **** V8's, give me a well performing turbo 4 that packs loads of punch any day of the week. For anyone who has driven an evo X you will know what I mean, those things MUNCH anything holden has to offer and at only 70k for top of the range you get so much more car, just wish I was little smaller. Even R32 golfs are SOOOOOO much more fun to drive than any Holden 8.
 

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GM Holden's reputation is for building affordable cars with the most expensive coming in under $100,000aud (not affordable at that point). German car makers most expensive far exceed this mark.

You don't seem to be getting what im saying. Under Audi/VW control using their parts, they won't be able to build affordable cars anymore.

Their components would be far more expensive which will effect the pricing of the car and put it out of reach of most Australian buyers, and more importantly, fleets.

With a Commodore taking a substantial increase in price, the difference in price between an Audi and a Commodore would be smaller and you may as well just buy an actual Audi and get the rest of the good gear that comes with it.

The problems with Holdens are not the V8's, its the rest of the car that tends to let it down when compared to its european counterparts.
 

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You don't seem to be getting what im saying. Under Audi/VW control using their parts, they won't be able to build affordable cars anymore.

Their components would be far more expensive which will effect the pricing of the car and put it out of reach of most Australian buyers, and more importantly, fleets.

With a Commodore taking a substantial increase in price, the difference in price between an Audi and a Commodore would be smaller and you may as well just buy an actual Audi and get the rest of the good gear that comes with it.

The problems with Holdens are not the V8's, its the rest of the car that tends to let it down when compared to its european counterparts.

Then they need to make it lighter, if Holdens did become under another companies ownership they still have the facilities to build the Alloytech, strap on a turbo or supercharger (L67 style) and the problem's solved. Now if they didn't have the ability to put the alloytech in the Holden bodies for some reason then the price would go up like you're saying but not by too much, they wouldn't be sold as that brand but maintain Holden
 

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On a world scale though, Holden is not worth much money. When you look at how fast GM are burning through cash, Holden wouldn't cover a months losses to GM. Any short term gain would not be worth the long term loss, and it would not look good for the US Government after Holden was used as GM's example.

On a side note, GM are starting to make some much nicer cars at the moment. The Opel Insignia and Chevvy Malibu are prime examples of cars that are actually class leading in their regions for GM. Just a pity they are a few years too late.

GM have no choice but to look on a (very) short term time line right now. If they can get several years profit now then so be it. You do realize that the total market cap for GM is less than US$1billion right now. If they can get a few billion for Holden they can raise two or three times their total worth in cash in one hit. From memory they are burning around $1bil per month which will keep them out of the shitte for a little bit. It has come down to that for GM.

If it comes to that, Lets hope Holden can operate as normal. I don't mind Holden moving away from GM ownership. Infact it might be a better thing for Holden ?.

I don't know how Holden will last without a V8. Even for the people who don't buy V8's it still is part of the brand. The GM V8's are great for Holden - cheap reliable engines that go like stink. They are very interwoven. On the other hand, maybe a buyer could use it as an opportunity to introduce an engine as Holden could carry off the "premium" brand in Asia with their Zeta platform.

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bah, i dont think you all realise how spidered into holden gm is... it goes, Holden goes... the intellectual property fights would kill any hope of survival. Holden cant stand on its own too feet atm and no one else is in a position to buy us.

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Then they need to make it lighter, if Holdens did become under another companies ownership they still have the facilities to build the Alloytech, strap on a turbo or supercharger (L67 style) and the problem's solved. Now if they didn't have the ability to put the alloytech in the Holden bodies for some reason then the price would go up like you're saying but not by too much, they wouldn't be sold as that brand but maintain Holden

Well the alloytech is a GM engine, so if we couldn't use the V8's I doubt they'd allow Holden under another company to build their feature V6.

I don't think you realise the cost of some of the european components, an audi drivetrain would have a substantial impact on the price.
 
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Meh, holden's last nice car was the VSIII Stato. It can go bankrupt if it wants, there'll always be spares for the models I like.
 

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Well the alloytech is a GM engine, so if we couldn't use the V8's I doubt they'd allow Holden under another company to build their feature V6.

I don't think you realise the cost of some of the european components, an audi drivetrain would have a substantial impact on the price.

GM (or it's liquidators :)) would always let Holden build the Alloytec under licesnse. Whoever owns the ip for the engine would most likely receive a royalty for each engine built. Either that or the rights to the donk would be part of the sale of Holden. V8's are a different kettle of fish as they are not built here and are purchased from os. That could still continue but it would be a pre-requisite that the division was still around to make the things.

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