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Discussion in 'VE Holden Commodore (2006 - 2013)' started by JPSSV, May 15, 2013.

  1. JPSSV

    JPSSV New Member

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    Hey guys, new to the forum but i have been browsing here for a while. Story is i got a set of 20inch wheels for my VE SSV 8.5's on the front and 9.5's on the rear. anyway the rears are scrubbing on the guards. I rang the guy and explained i wasn't real happy. he said try Sydney Guard Rolling. has anyone dealt with him before and does it crack the paint.
    Thanks
     
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    Most wheel places can roll the guards for you.. Why did you go 9.5 on the rear?
     
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    Troy711 Retired Old Fart Staff Member

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    Sounds like the offset is bung. I had 9.5 rears on my Statesman and in 4 years it only rubbed a handful of times when I had 2 adults in the back and went over bumps at speed.
     
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    yeah just measured the offset. the wheel is stamped ET45 but when i measured and worked it out the wheel is actually only 35mm. 10mm error. I'll contact the manufacturer and see what they say.
     
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    Go back to where you got them fitted and see what they say?
     
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    1, If you purchased wheels made by a reputable wheel manufacturer it is unlikely that the wheel is stamped with the wrong offset number.

    With the wheel off the car measure the backspace on the inside of the wheel. Measure from the centre mounting pad face back to the outer edge of the rim.
    For a 9.5 inch rim..........
    If a 35 offset, it will measure approx 169 mm or 6.6 inches
    If a 45 offset, it will measure approx 179 mm or 7 inches

    Even if the 9.5 inch wheel is +45mm offset as stamped it is still possible that with sufficient suspension travel the face of the tyre will rub the guard lip if you are running 275 wide tyres.

    2. IF you were purchasing 45 offset rears and the wheels are in fact 35 offset the retailer has an obligation to take the wheels back and replace them with what you were told you were buying - ie the correct product. Clearly a 35 offset wheel stamped 45 and then sold as 45 offset is the equivalent of a faulty product.

    3. If you are going to get the guards rolled do not use any cowboy with a rolling machine that says he can do it for you. Sydney Guard Rolling has a good reputation and you will not have to worry about the guy cracking your paint or otherwise damaging your car.
     
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    Thanks for the info. I remeasured and they are definitely wrong offset. It must be a one off as the manufacturer said they have sold hundreds of sets for ve comm and never had any complaints. They said they are going to replace them.
     
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    Good to hear its going to be sorted out without fuss.
     
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    uniacidz Harden the Frak Up

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    Hey thanks for the heads up on Sydney Guard Rolling.

    Kinda what i might be after
     
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    I can roll guards for you, I've only done three cars so far though but lol
     
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    You can buy guard rollers off ebay if you want to do your own
     
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    Yeah there on sale now $99.90 but wont be sent out till after 28/5/13 ordered one last night good to have one.You can get ones on ebay qicker but there $130+ 30 postage and one guy that wants $199??. I'm sick of my rear tyres rubbing every where i go so i though i would give it a go_Oh yeah with the money you save buy a heat gun too might save the paint cracking.Will have too see for myself if it works lol i'd rather crack my paint then pay some one too lol.
     
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    TinSnips Polish all the things...

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    ^^^ The difference there is business insurance. If you stuff it, you have to pay for the respray.
     
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    Good point mate as for me il take the risk plus i like to do a bit of d.i.y. But the op might want to take what you said in to account.
     
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    The things people do to stuff up their cars, you had 19's already why bother changing to 20's when it's going to be a headtruck for no gain except keep the coppers interested and the speed bump maintanance people in a job.
     
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    Just make sure if you do roll your guards on your own, use a heat gun to heat up the paint first to prevent any cracks.
     
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    I think the problem will most probably be your tyre's. If you were to run a 255/35/20 tyre you should be ok but i think you will most probably have a 275 making it wider and more likely to touch. Also how did you measure the offset. The measurement should be 45mm on the outer from the centre of the wheel.
     
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    Why not???

    The HSVs run 20x9.5 on the rear with 275/30R20s and they fit perfect with no scrubing because there the correct offset which is 57P.

    For 20x9.5 with 35P yes you need the gaurd rolled even if you go to a 245/35R20 on the rear (that's the HSV front tyre size) if your cars lowered n tucking tyre

    The paint on VEs are prone to cracking when the guards ate rolled so pay a professional for the best results and always heat the gaurds before rolling, no matter who's doing it or what car it is.
     
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    Hi my name is John and I am a Guard roller from the South West Liverpool region.

    I have been guard rolling Holden vehicles for many years and can identify that the rear lip design on the VE base model is different to the VE SS sedan.

    The VE base model carries a dual skin metal lip that can be rolled without ripples.
    The only problems that may arise is the T section where the rear bar meets up with the guard as that can kink in and tiny spot welds flaring up.

    The VE SS Sedan/Ute has a split rear lip design which runs a dual lip metal that forms into one layer then back to a dual skin. This one layer sits directly in the centre of the guard that causes it to ripple.

    Paint cracking is prone to all cars but really depends on whether the area has been repaired previously or resprayed.

    Cars that have been resprayed carry High fill layers which crack opposed to peeling. Best way to determine if areas have been repaired is to run a fridge magnet or check the lips for missing spot welds or smoothed lip.

    I am here to give out advice as I've seen soo many Commodores with rippled and cracked guards. I am in no way here to promote what I do.

    I have been actively surfing this website for a long time and finally decided to join due to seeing this post.

    I have an add up on Gumtree if you need to contact me or have questions on guard rolling.

    0406321081 John
     

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