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[202] Help for holden wb 1984 UTE

Discussion in 'Straight 6 Development And Modification' started by mtmoss, Mar 16, 2015.

  1. mtmoss

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    Hi

    I am doing up a 1984 holden wb ute with my dad for my first car

    I have a few qustions

    Would it be worth upgrading from the blue 202 with a varajet II to a 253 (legal on p's)

    Would it be worth saving up $ and getting a 308 or a ls1?

    Would it be worth putting a rb30 in it and turboing it later?

    Some other qustions

    Are there quick shifters for m21 on the flore boxes?

    Worth putting supra gear box behind 202 for 5 years while on p's?

    Max wheel size?

    Big brake kits?

    Thanks
     
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    What do you want to use it for and what's your budget?
     
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    Everything is worth it if you can justify it.

    What is your end goal? What do you want from it then work backwards to see what will suit. Then double check that your budget will accommodate this and add an extra 30%.
    You will also need to think of engineering costs, and the fact that you may not be even allowed to drive a modified car on your Ps.

    For me personally, i'd stick the biggest factory engine that you are allowed to into it as they usually aren't modifications, if that's a 253 then do that, and just tidy it up, give it some nice paint, add some chrome or whatever you want to, upgrade the stereo and enjoy driving it as a nice cruiser.

    That should be enough for now. Then once you are off you Ps go as nuts as you can afford if you want to.
     
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    Hey thanks for replys

    my budget around 4k

    my end result i am really hopeing for something fast that i can take down to drags with my mates and have fun, but keeping it mostly factory for resale value
     
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    I think a rack and pinion steering conversion would be worth it, same as upgrading the brakes.

    There are many engines to choose from, all are a waste of money for a first car unless your gonna look after it and not prang it like 99% of red P platers.

    LS1 is the best bang for buck, but you cant drive it. Anything that requires a certificate is out for Ps last time i checked.

    Get the body and basics up to scratch before worrying about the engine, its the easy bit.
     
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    5 Years on P's, WTF, man, put the 253 in with a Supra box and a 3.08 diff and enjoy the V8 sound.

    I did all this 25 yrs ago, the above were staple mods, shirly things have improved, do the above and go to an old school holden forum.

    There might be some better mods, I'd put a EFI carby system on it for staters, as they love fuel and flooding at start up, oh old school joys,

    cam wise the only option was the double your fuel usage tq30, so don't bother, but there maybe more out there.

    also the 253 needs a bit of back pressure , freed up they die, I found good results with just extractors into a 2 1/2 in single and one muffler.

    Good luck, any questions ask away and post a few pics of the build.
     
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    ment 4 years until you are allowed to get your full license

    also if i dropped 2-3 k on a 253 what would i be at for power?

    will post pics a bit later
     
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    left wondering where the money went, lol, they came out with a whopping 100kws when new, there's no 'real' power to be had.

    Just pick up a tidy one and be happy with the burble, as that's it's only charm.

    Save money for a LS engine in 4 years.
     
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    ls1's sell for 1g for a good one
     
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    Where can you get one? About 7 years ago, I tried to find a suitable one, for an HQ chassis (was a hotrod build) and couldn't find a suitable rack....

    I also drove a hotrod, with a commodore rack fitted into a HK front end. Turning circle was crap (that's being polite)....Last I spoke to the owner, he was changing back to the original steering box set up.
     
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    IMO, keep the wb as a project car and get a safer, more reliable, more powerful, more comfortable, more fuel efficient car for a daily.

    As for the ute, build a mild 308 for it and make it look pretty. The body work will definitely be the hardest part if it's not straight. The long, flat panels are a nightmare to get straight. Especially with the curve and body line you need to work with, you'll learn pretty quickly though if you do it all yourself.
     
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    i was thinking a nice 253 with yella terra heads, extractors, rebuilt carby, 5 speed supra (keeping 4 speed for L plates) 2 1/4 inch exhaust some comp maby 10 or something sadly have to keep all pollution rubbish :/

    this is the color of my car shed still hasent been wired yet so bad photo

    Imgur

    will take proper photes when get more time

    also post what you would think would be good on a 253 because thats probaly what i will go with
     
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    If you really want to spend money on a 253:
    -Small cam. crow 5666 is about the biggest you should go on a relatively stock 253.
    -quadrajet
    -standard volume oil pump
    -original hei ignition with the dizzy regraphed to suit the cam (easy to do yourself)
    -extractors or stock manifolds, it won't really make a difference. If you're driving it on your p's, definitely go with stock cast manifolds. And a 2.5" single exhaust to avoid drawing attention to yourself.
    -use the stock manifold or a performer. The egr cannot be connected to a performer so technically the car wouldn't be roadworthy.
    -leave the emissions stuff there. None of it really has any effect at full throttle (low manifold vacuum) and increases fuel efficiency anyway.

    Even after that, a standard vn-vy v6 commodore would blow the 253 out of the water.

    As for the gearbox, if you don't have a supra 5 speed already with the shortened tailshaft, modified crossmember, bell-housing, yoke, clutch and speedo cable setup, it's not worth spending the money. I'd be going with an aussie 3 or 4 speed (m22 would be my pick with a shorter 1st and therefore reverse gear) because they're cheap to buy and easy to get parts for, if you're set on a manual. If funds allow I'd be looking at buying a 308 block and having it redrilled to turbo pattern and putting a t700 behind it.
     
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    Heres one, its a bit pricey but it exists:

    RP08KIT - HQ-WB - HOLDEN - RACK & PINION KIT - HQ-HJ-HX-HZ-WB - Holden
     
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    what if i put a ecotec in it?

    is there any major mods to be done to that??

    there is some conversion kits around which ive considerd

    what sorta power and mods for a ecotec
     
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    That's not a bad idea, but you'll need to have it engineered and you won't be allowed to drive it on your p's. It's not the easiest or cheapest conversion either. They're cheap to buy, fuel efficient and have reasonable power though.

    You could buy a running 253 with trimatic from $250-400 and stick it in and drive it while you're putting together a nice 308 for when you get your full licence. Shouldn't even take you 2 days to have a 253 in and running.
     
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    Ecotec would be the go, there'd have to be kit's made up by now. Saw one in a HR looked mint. What's in the ute now?
     
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    my dad wants me to stick with the 202 and just get some mods im thinking thats dumb because they are slow as balls, and from what i hear a 253 is slow to..


    hmm il have to ask rms about that enginer thing and p platers
    will get pics this avo
     
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    If you are going to go to all the effort of doing a conversion and engineering it, why would you go an ecotec rather than an LS1? Neither will be legal on your P's and I know which one I'd be doing.
     

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