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Documents show Holden wanted to build mid-sized front-drive car alongside Cruze

16 April 2014
By BARRY PARK
HOLDEN had asked the government for more taxpayer money to build fewer cars using a shrinking number of Australian parts, documents released under freedom of information legislation show.


The documents, released to Federal Member for Wakefield Nick Champion and relating to federal Industry Minister Ian Macfarlane’s October 2 meeting with Holden managing director Mike Devereux, paint a grim picture for Holden’s future in Australia.


The revelation was made in a briefing document prepared for Mr Macfarlane ahead of the meeting – the minister’s first with the car-maker since the Abbott Government’s election, and months before Holden was forced into announcing it would shutter its Australian car-making operations.


“You would be aware that I am currently considering automotive policy options,” the briefing, titled Talking points – Holden/SA government says.


“I understand Holden’s need for policy certainty in order for long-term investments to be made.


“However, Holden is seeking additional assistance for smaller production volumes, a smaller spend on locally produced components, and to support fewer supply chain companies,” it says.


Hoden declined to comment on the contents of the document.


“We’re not going to engage in hypothetical speculation,” Holden manager of corporate communications Sean Poppitt said.


“Holden looked at every possible option to build our next-gen vehicles in Australia but the perfect storm of negative influences the industry faced – including the sustained strength of the dollar and high production costs – meant the long-term business case was simply not viable. “We also don’t publicly discuss any details of talks with government,” he said.


“Those discussions were, and remain, commercially confidential information to our business.”


An Industry Department spokesperson told GoAuto the numbers that contributed to Mr Macfarlane’s briefing documents also would not be released despite the announcement that Holden would quit car-making in Australia from late in 2017.


“The information you requested is commercial-in-confidence and has been redacted from the documents released under FOI accordingly,” the spokesperson said.


The documents released under FOI also reveal that, along with the next-generation Cruze small car, Holden planned to build a vehicle based on GM’ s global Epsilon platform.


That platform underpins one car that, despite being imported from Korea, has very specifically been tuned to Australian tastes – the mid-size Holden Malibu.


However, the $28,490 Malibu has struggled to win buyers against more established rivals including the locally made fleet car specialist the $30,490 Toyota Camry, a more fuel-efficient and technology-laden $33,460 Mazda6 and even Ford’s ageing $31,490 Mondeo.


In the first three months of this year, Holden’s petrol and diesel-only Malibu has pegged 368 sales compared with petrol and hybrid-engined market leader Camry’s 4983, and has undersold rivals including the petrol-only Honda Accord and Volkswagen’s petrol and diesel Passat sedan and wagon range, as well as the Golf-with-a-boot Jetta sedan featuring a similar fuel mix.

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It's looking more and more like the right decision was made by govco. As for the Malibu - Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrk! ~120 units per month :eek:. I'd like to be a fly on the wall in the product planning review meeting on that one.
 

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Holden never had a chance after the Hawke government.
 
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It's looking more and more like the right decision was made by govco. As for the Malibu - Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrk! ~120 units per month :eek:. I'd like to be a fly on the wall in the product planning review meeting on that one.

I wonder if the Government will supply the rope for Devereux , given the dire state of finances
 
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So Holden Commodore goes, no replacement has been touted, losing 2000 units a month; malibu isn't selling, Cruze only just so-so.....

Holden wants to get to no. 1 car seller in OZ?

There is a fine line between optimistic and delusional.
 

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Well, I've said elsewhere that the Malibu is virtually unseen on our roads. What a pathetic sales effort that is. It just goes to show that the Holden badge isn't enough to shift cars - they need to be good and have substance. The Malibu has obviously been judged by the market to have neither.

How much longer will we see them in dealer's yards? (Probably years because that's how long it will take to shift them.) They have to be heading for the chop here, surely.
 

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They also did next to no marketing for the Malibu though - for some strange reason.

I had a look at one and although they're not for me, I thought the interior was pretty nice and they're quite well appointed. Can't say much for exterior styling - butt ugly IMO. However I thought they'd do ok in the Camry etc segment of the market..
 

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The ad for the malibu was on for about a week, it was how the car wasn't beige etc. not a very interesting ad. Ford and Mazda ads are IMHO much more interesting.

Could it be that the holden brand itself has an image problem?

Established names sell; Camry has been around for almost 30 years. Mazda 6 is based off the 626, been here for 35 years. Its also possibly the only reason why commodore and falcon sell anything at all to non-enthusiasts.

mid size holden cycle has gone like this - Torana 1974-1980, Camira 1982-1989, Apollo 1989-1997, Vectra 1997-2005, Epica 2005-? (I forget). Keep chopping and changing. Stick with the one name plate.
 

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So Holden Commodore goes, no replacement has been touted, losing 2000 units a month; malibu isn't selling, Cruze only just so-so.....

Holden wants to get to no. 1 car seller in OZ?

There is a fine line between optimistic and delusional.

Well actually , there is something touted to replace the Commodore , it's just media speculation as to what , the people who know are keeping quiet on the subject which is understandable .
 
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