ford-standard-s-xr-gtp holden-standard-s-ss-sv-hsv how do you compere? does holden have to many vereants? my thoughts ....S vs S...SV vs XR...HSV vs GTP so where does SS come in
it'll be FVP not GTP (thats a GT premium as thats the V8 while F6 is the I6T) so: povo pack v povo pack (technically Ford win as it has 190 standard and more torque) SV6 V XR6 (N/A) Tuff call as they're very close and it'll be up to the driver XR6T V ......... Holden have nothing to combat this and it can beat 6L HSV's around some tracks with the 6 speed auto SS V XR8 (SS wins) HSV vs FPV ....Holden wins in the 8's but overall you would say the F6
i think ford should be penalised for having a turbo, its only there to stir things up...*shakes fist* holden need to extract the digit and make a new supercharged or turboed car...3.6TT come on...
hmm that is hard to believe consider Ford has develop some powerful machine out on the roads SV6 vs XR6 current series in Ford would win it due torque, power XR6 turbo none right now unless Holden release a SV6turbo HSV vs XR8 that i think holden would win it since i dont know what type of v8 the XR8 runs on xr5turbo vs sri turbo ford again due to equal torque and power
XR8 runs a an SUV motor that is too heavy, has a very nice note but is too doughy down low. SRI actually has more power but the XR5 has a better handling.
Any Holden would beat any Ford.. No matter what.. Disagree with me? Then go back to your f*ckn Ford Forums.. These is "Just Commodores".. [/one eyed dick head mode]
Yeah it may have more power but its got a bit to much that it put it off the XR5 is just evenlly balance in torque and power
Yeah i know, too much power and FWD isn't a good combo, as the XR5 dosn't torque steer as badly. But it does rev out too 7500rpm :yeah:
i wasent really looking for horsepower stuggle thinking more along the lines of model (ying-yang) does holden have to many veriants
yeah i see where you are coming from burnz...its like holden is sick of people ticking option boxes and just decided to make fully optioned SS's and Calais'...that are pretty much just a fully optioned version...but the fact that Executive and Acclaim are gone kind of evens it out a little bit...haha and remember holden has already brought out the first limited edition (or whatever you want to call an omega with rims and power windows)...so soon enough there will be fifty variants of the variants, like Storm is due for a re-do... just my thoughts anyway, Stretch
oh apparently if you watch Clerkson review on Top gear or Fifth Gear both the show agree that XR5 come out better, the only review i know that didnt come to a conculsion was the Car Show in Australia
hate tourque steer, booted a v6 magna around a bend one day and almost jumped a kerb because it didnt react as i thought it would :S scary because it was a managers car -_-' but as for H v F matchups, theres a selection of ways you can compare them, peformance [ drags 0-X circuit ] "vital stats" [ ground clearence turnign circle HP ratios etc ] Appearence [ get some holden people, some ford people and some neutral people to go over the styling ] comfort luxuray mileage. personally i wouldnt call one better than the other till it was tested to the last nut.
Yeah I've seen that episode and Clarkson goes off. I've driven the XR5T and it still torque steers, but it's minimal. But it revved out to 7500rpm with only 2500k's on the clock, lol.
sorry mate, has to be done...... how bout credit where credit is due.... go back to SC ya sook..... jk mate...
I think you may have made a mismatch between a couple of these. For starters the SV8 is probably better matched against a V8 XT as they are both basically a budget V8. While the V8 XT is not a "standard model" as it were, it is a very popular option. Hence the XR8 lines up against the SS. The GTS vs. GTP is a bit dodgy as well, while they are both top of the line for their respective manufacturers, FPV have stated in the past that they have nothing in their lineup to compete with the GTS, and HSV have kinda put a hold on the GTS anyway. The GTP is more pitched as an alternative to the R8 clubby. I see your point with Holden having more models than Ford, it's not neccessarily a bad thing, it's just their way of doing things, has been for a long time. Fact is Holden and Ford most likely are not designing their model lineups to have each model directly compete with only one other from the opposite camp. When you think about it, it really would be a slightly odd way of doing things. As for the eternal Ford v. Holden debate, as always it is a matter of horses for courses. In my experience the BA and BF are extremely smooth, comfortable and torquey vehicles, the VY (haven't driven a VZ) were more about peak power, straight line speed and some slightly harsher suspension in return for better cornering, oh and the auto shift quality was ratshit. Motoring journalists have been saying ever since the BA came out that the Ford feels more comfortable but not quite as fast and the performance models aren't as competent on the race track as their holden counterparts. I haven't raced the damn things but I'd have to say that it makes sense, the Holdens were a lot more fun to drive, the AU/BA/BF are definitely more comfortable, more of a "grandpa spec" kind of thing. Just wanted to chuck in a comment about the XR8, they run the 5.4L bottom end of an SUV motor as mentioned earlier but they also have the DOHC heads from the 4.6L stang. Odd combination but apparently it's working quite well. I've actually got a soft spot for the old windsor V8 myself, pushrods all the way! One of these days I will own an AU XR8, because I'm that kind of twisted individual. :yeah:
