The point is that you seem to be fine dissing a car with the it's only a Commodore but handles like **** (paraphrasing) line yet have *never* driven one.
And you are defending a 95k car that you have *never* driven. Sure, the HSV is an improvement on an Omega, at least you would have to assume so, or why bother. You are still buying a Commodore though, it just has some add ons.
My point is that if you want a sports car, you need to buy a purpose designed sports car. You cannot make a silk purse from a sows ear. FWIW I actually like the VE, its an excellent car in any of its many forms, and despite the many comments you read in here, easily the best car Holden has ever made. I will happily include a HSV as a desirable car, I just question whether you get 3 times as good a car by paying 3 times as much for a HSV.
Your comments on handling are just plain pointless unless you actually take it onto the track, which by your comment to me 'have you ever driven one in anger' you certainly create the impression that you have. Hence the 'prove it, lets see a video'. Most modern cars handle sufficiently well to cope with everyday driving, even 'enthusiastic' driving. To exceed those capabilities you basically need to be on a track or breaking the law. OK, I was a little tongue in cheek when I said 'OMG here comes a corner, what do I do' but the bottom line is, with that kind of power you are getting sports car performance without a chassis designed to cope with such performance.
In relation to MRC, I said if I was spending 95 grand on a Commodore I would want the best.
It does :bang:. GM actually license the MRC system to the likes of Ferrari and Porsche amongst others who use exactly the same hardware (calibrated differently to suilt the car). For multiple settings that go from touring (still a bit firmer than Fe2) to Track (rock hard) at the press of a button it's hard to beat. There are a couple of systems around however they are same same at best. When it comes to conventional systems you have to choose your ride. Sure it's a better shock in driving terms however it's always rock hard and too firm for most consumers on a road car, even a performance one.
But this was your previous comment on MRC...
Haha spot on. I'd suggest anybody who gets the chance to drive a HSV with MRC fitted back to back with a SS or SSV on some nice "drivers" roads. The difference is phenomenal. You can get better conventional spring/shock combos than the MRC but the cost is large and it certainly isn't OEM.
So this isn't true then?
I am not dissing the HSV at all. I am questioning whether you can improve ANY car from a basic platform to something that TRIPLES its price and still retains any kind of value for money. For that reason, I wouldn't buy one. Simple as that. You think Mercedes or BMW badges are too expensive. I think HSV stickers are too expensive.
I am actually looking forward to the Hyundai Genesis arriving TBO. I am not stuck on brands, and by all accounts its a good car. Of course I will drive one before I make the decision on whether to buy one. If you think the HSV is perfect for you, go for it.
You are just as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine, and we are both equally uninformed about the car in question because IT DOESN'T EXIST YET.
I can voice my opinions on how overpriced it appears to be, you can voice your opinions on how fantastic it is without it even existing yet. That's the wonderful thing about living in this country, we can all voice our opinions without getting arrested.
