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Intense brake squeal with DBA T3 rotors and QFM HPX pads - VF2 SSVR

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MY17 SSVR Sportwagon required new rotors and pads at 60k service in December.
Holden wanted ~$2100 to replace them.
Sourced DBA T3 (cross drilled and slotted as could not obtain slotted only due to supply issue) rotors and QFM HPX pads as this was only $1100.
Local mechanic fitted them for me and bedded them in for me at the start of February. Drove car home and it was quiet. Next day wife took the car to work and when she came home I could hear her from 1km away. Car is making a horrendous squealing noise (I can't determine if it is from rear, front or both).

The next day she was hit head on so the car went to panel beaters and was there until we picked it up a few days ago. Getting the car back and it squeals so loudly that with windows down it causes your ears to ring. I thought perhaps the pads weren't bedded in properly/enough so I attempted to do it again.

I used the procedure from DBA to try bedding brakes in again. 5 slow downs from 60-70km/h with moderate pressure on pedal, followed by 2 slow downs with increased pressure from 70-80km/h without coming to a complete stop.
Drove for 10 minutes to let system cool down.
After this the brakes were much quieter.
Next morning reversing out of driveway, car is squealing again.

I have read a few threads on here regarding squealing brakes on the Brembos in the VF2.
There are mentions that copper grease needs to be applied somewhere on the back of the pad. There is also mention of shims that Holden fits. Does anyone have a picture of what these shims look like, and is there an easy way of determining whether my mechanic refitted them with the QFM pads?

All up the new rotors and pads have done about 300km of driving (freeway and stop start) without much heavy braking.

The SSVR is my wife's car, and she's pretty pissed off at how loud the squealing is. She is now angry that I tried to save $1000 by not going OEM and aftermarket.

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I am guessing that the OEM setup did not make noise ... or not as bad at least ?

If I was you i would try different brake pads or go back to mechanic to confirm if he lubricated everything properly...
 

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if the original factory pads had anti squeal backing shims
they MUST be refitted (lots leave them off aftermarket pads)

If they have been fitted, then the mechanic should contact QFM
and ask them. I had QFM HPX pads on my old VE SSv wagon
with RDA slotted rotors.. great stopping and no squealing
 

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i have used QFM HPX pads in lots of cars and never had a squealing issue.the only thing other than the copper grease i usually do is a light chamfer around the edge of each pad. an old habit my father taught me with my first car.doesnt need much,maybe 1.5mm wide. had mates with issues and it solved their squeals.
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Original OEM setup was silent.
I’ll call mechanic and see if he remembers using the factory anti squeal shims.
 

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Spoke to mechanic and he still has the factory OEM pads. He has indicated that there is a shim fitted to the factory pads and it is permanently affixed to the pad and isn't removable. They have used the shims that came with the QFM pads.
Does anyone have a picture of the factory pads that came with the MY17 Commodores?

Sometimes it's simply the difference between using a jack of all tradies mechanic and a brake specialist. I felt it needed to be said.
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I have also confirmed with Holden spare parts that the MY17 SSVR has a pad with built in shim that can not be removed.
MY15/16 have pads which require the "add on" shim kit.

I have ordered an anti squeal shim kit to fit to the QFM pads (hopefully it fits). If it doesn't fit, then I'll just have to go with factory rear pads as the wife isn't happy with the squealing at all.
 
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On a side note, 60,000kms out of a set of rotors seems pretty ordinary?
 

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On a side note, 60,000kms out of a set of rotors seems pretty ordinary?

That's what I thought and hence why I moved to trying DBA rotors hoping that they wouldn't be as soft. My wife travels 100km per day, with 80km of that in bumper to bumper stop/start traffic so she's always on the brakes. Looking at other brake and tyre threads, it seems that our sportwagon is giving the same levels and/or better wear than others.
 

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That's what I thought and hence why I moved to trying DBA rotors hoping that they wouldn't be as soft. My wife travels 100km per day, with 80km of that in bumper to bumper stop/start traffic so she's always on the brakes. Looking at other brake and tyre threads, it seems that our sportwagon is giving the same levels and/or better wear than others.

Had they been machined in that 60k kms? You'd think that repeated braking from bumper to bumper speeds wouldn't be as hard on them as repeated high speed (ie freeway) braking. What was actually wrong with them when you swapped them, were they below minimum thickness or warped etc?
 
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