INTRODUCING OLD BL ACK BETTY (1978 HOLDEN VB SLE VCAR)

[1978vcar]

I was talking about stock car / nascar speedway racing at liverpool speedway . This type is done on a banked tar surface . This was done on bichumin so there were no wings as aero technology was still in its baby stage. only a sprint car formula racing used wings and GP500 midgets ( looked like micro F1 car). The cars I am talking about looked like the car on street so to speak less glass and lights. I was 12 years old when you were born and at the track watching my family race so maybe what I seen and was involved in may have changed as sydney only had 2 speedway tracks one dirt/clay and 1 tar. I was referring to the tar track named Liverpool speedway. So track closure has nothing to do with decline and costs. It was due to noise and the development of Liverpool area and is a fact as track land was sold and houses now are were track stood. Am not having a shot at you, so please don't take it that way please. But times changed quickly back in the old days and a lot of things have been lost and forgotten and only old farts like me can remember this stuff as we lived through it. I will post vin# stamped on apron when I go to the panel shop next( will take photo) showing A; VIN# and B; the car has not been in a front end prang as original number stamp not replacement panel

 

[vc commodore]

I was talking about stock car / nascar speedway racing at liverpool speedway . This type is done on a banked tar surface . This was done on bichumin so there were no wings as aero technology was still in its baby stage. only a sprint car formula racing used wings and GP500 midgets ( looked like micro F1 car). The cars I am talking about looked like the car on street so to speak less glass and lights. I was 12 years old when you were born and at the track watching my family race so maybe what I seen and was involved in may have changed as sydney only had 2 speedway tracks one dirt/clay and 1 tar. I was referring to the tar track named Liverpool speedway. So track closure has nothing to do with decline and costs. It was due to noise and the development of Liverpool area and is a fact as track land was sold and houses now are were track stood. Am not having a shot at you, so please don't take it that way please. But times changed quickly back in the old days and a lot of things have been lost and forgotten and only old farts like me can remember this stuff as we lived through it. I will post vin# stamped on apron when I go to the panel shop next( will take photo) showing A; VIN# and B; the car has not been in a front end prang as original number stamp not replacement panel

So you were 12 years old when I was born....Interesting.....How do you know how old I am to begin with to make a statement like this?

I was involved with speedway in Bundaberg.....Carina speedway before it was closed down due to it being unsafe with timber boards lining the walls....My father in law was involved with speedway in South Australia, along with a very good mate...

So I do know a little about how speedways operate

 

[Fachoo]

I was talking about stock car / nascar speedway racing at liverpool speedway . This type is done on a banked tar surface . This was done on bichumin so there were no wings as aero technology was still in its baby stage. only a sprint car formula racing used wings and GP500 midgets ( looked like micro F1 car). The cars I am talking about looked like the car on street so to speak less glass and lights. I was 12 years old when you were born and at the track watching my family race so maybe what I seen and was involved in may have changed as sydney only had 2 speedway tracks one dirt/clay and 1 tar. I was referring to the tar track named Liverpool speedway. So track closure has nothing to do with decline and costs. It was due to noise and the development of Liverpool area and is a fact as track land was sold and houses now are were track stood. Am not having a shot at you, so please don't take it that way please. But times changed quickly back in the old days and a lot of things have been lost and forgotten and only old farts like me can remember this stuff as we lived through it. I will post vin# stamped on apron when I go to the panel shop next( will take photo) showing A; VIN# and B; the car has not been in a front end prang as original number stamp not replacement panel

Yep noise complaints, greedy council housing developers closed 1 in Adelaide just for $$$ profit, nothing to do with decline and costs.
The same thing is going to happen at the Adelaide International speedway, Bob Jane:s son owns the site and has let it gone to the dogs waiting for land values to rocket before selling, they used to have the auscar bowl races there you mentioned before, my rellies were involved in racing back years ago, Irony is my uncle lives on that old speedway site where he used to tear up the dirt.

Don’t worry about that vehicle serial number stamped, it:s only the body assembly plant production number, only states assembly plant and production serial number, which is also on the Safety compliance plate as a match.
The VIN (Vehicle Identification Plate) is the smaller of the 3 plates riveted to the upper front bonnet radiator panel. Post up a pic of those 3 plates for the model, trim, motor, gearbox, paint and diff codes.

Those plate codes will show what the car left the factory with brand new bfore anyone fiddled with it over the years.

 

[vc commodore]

Yep noise complaints, greedy council housing developers closed 1 in Adelaide just for $$$ profit, nothing to do with decline and costs.
The same thing is going to happen at the Adelaide International speedway, Bob Jane:s son owns the site and has let it gone to the dogs waiting for land values to rocket before selling, they used to have the auscar bowl races there you mentioned before, my rellies were involved in racing back years ago, Irony is my uncle lives on that old speedway site where he used to tear up the dirt.

Don’t worry about that vehicle serial number stamped, it:s only the body assembly plant production number, only states assembly plant and production serial number, which is also on the Safety compliance plate as a match.
The VIN (Vehicle Identification Plate) is the smaller of the 3 plates riveted to the upper front bonnet radiator panel. Post up a pic of those 3 plates for the model, trim, motor, gearbox, paint and diff codes.

Those plate codes will show what the car left the factory with brand new bfore anyone fiddled with it over the years.

Which one got closed in Adelaide? Rolly Park?

Speedway Park is still around....I have heard the owner is trying to sell it but wants way to much money for it. The current owner actually ran the place into the ground, getting greedy with costs, but fell flat on her face because racers left in droves...I also heard the cooking facilities are way below par so the authorities refuse to grant a licence until a heap of money is thrown at it

They did hold burnout comps at speedway park, but again greed came into play and competitors just didn't turn up


Adelaide International Raceway won't get sold.....Rumours have been rife for years saying he is waiting for land values to go up, but that's all they are.....Rumours....There was even talk about opening up a nationals similar to gazzanats a few years back, but again, a rumour...

 

[1978vcar]

you had to under 40 on a guess not to know about the old Marlboro 100 as was a real big race all came from around country for, and the yanks too, not disrespecting you. as am glad there still are others like me who grew up around the " traps " as they in the pits. and remember our speedway history .

 

[vc commodore]

you had to under 40 on a guess not to know about the old Marlboro 100 as was a real big race all came from around country for, and the yanks too, not disrespecting you. as am glad there still are others like me who grew up around the " traps " as they in the pits. and remember our speedway history .

I wish I was under 40

 

[Fachoo]

Which one got closed in Adelaide? Rolly Park?

Rolly Polly ha ha good try
try Rowley Park

 

[vc commodore]

Rolly Polly ha ha good try
try Rowley Park

How many decades ago did that get closed?

Current speedway is dying due to absorbant costs and lack of people with the coin to actually race due to the costs

 

[1978vcar]

outrages running costs and limited to dirt track racing has been killing the sport for decades. since the closure of Liverpool speedway and then caulder park Thunderdome. as with stock car racing it was a working man's motorsport not a sponsored one meaning you raced what you had be it an old commy or Torana or Datsun, up until the grand nationals there was a budget class to keep costs down and races competitive and parts cheap as most came from the wreckers, and unlike dirt racing were everything was custom-built, specialist chasis big hp motors wings the list goes on. not many drivers had the money to convert to a dirt car set up and gave racing away until Thunderdome gave us hope again and then it crashed and burned, and now we are stuck with dirt racing and big costs. maybe if went back to our grass roots and opened a tar banked track again and used the old formula of racing more people could afford to race once again and we might also get a great NASCAR driver to rise through the ranks and show the yanks how its done.
also Westmead speedway is where Westmead children's hospital stands today and the Sydney show ground speedway is now fox studios.. sometimes money talks and motorsports has to walk it seems.

 

[vc commodore]

Dirt track racing at the grass roots was a wrecker based sport...ie get a shell from a wreckers, spend a grand or two on bar work and an engine and go racing....Then around 2004ish, I was speaking to a fella who was going to give it away because it was going to cost him $8K just for parts for a 6cyl Ford engine just to be competitive.....Putting the motor together was sponsored and the new shell was sponsored...But all the rest of the stuff, like bar work, fuel tanks etc etc put well beyond a sport for fun....Last I heard, for a competitive street stock aka bomber, you won't get much change from $20+K......

Moving up in class to sprinters, amcars and alikes had always been expensive....It just these days it has gotten way out of control, much like grass roots street stocks aka bombers