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Is anyone considering the NG commodore after their VF?

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by tml678, Jan 22, 2017.

  1. Hyperduc

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    Enjoy that! Will be watching from down south.
     
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    Reaper Tells it like it is.

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    Really the concept of buying a ZB is like this:

    You had no arm and somebody miraculously managed to attach a perfectly looking and functioning robot limb. Then you decide to saw it off and replace it with one that doesn't bend at the elbow and fingers that struggle to even pick your nose.
     
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    I don't mind the look of the wagon I seen one on the road last week it seems like quite a good car with some good features but it just doesn't appeal to me. I don't plan on getting rid of my vf, it will just become a weekend car eventually.
     
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    I haven't read many of the posts on this thread (yet) still skimming them.

    I think the new marketing department at Holden need to re-educate themselves about Holden.

    They have to understand their customers and the environment the car will be used in. Holden (and Ford) have given the large front wheel drive car a chance, so I don't know how the people in charge were convinced to give up the Commodore badge because those other cars weren't worthy of such a bonus. A front wheel drive car can be setup to handle neutrally in most road conditions but then it gets a bit old a bit quicker. The driver must now adapt to the front wheel drive unpredictability.

    The rear wheel drive car just continues to behave like a rear wheel drive car, as it gets older it becomes more predictable.

    These new Holden marketing people will be the death of the badge. They think they are only selling new cars to new people, they don't understand the market leading position over the years has lead to families being brought up in and around Holdens and learning to drive in big Holdens. The big rear wheel drive Holden (or its Ford mate) were always in the background.
    If the new Holden marketing people are right in thinking that selling another front wheel drive (4 or 6 cylinder) car is what their traditional market wants, then why didn't those cars sell into their traditional market segment before? There are plenty of front wheel drive cars available from other car makers.
    Now that they have killed off the Holden's Holden, they have to compete head on with so many more cars. The badge doesn't mean much if the car doesn't have its traditional points of difference.

    New buyers have direct feature comparisons to make now and who knows if a front wheel drive Holden will feel better to drive in 30,000 kms than any of the other front wheel drive cars that are already on the roads now.

    They should have called it a Holden ...... something else
     
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    My prediction:

    The ZB Commodore will last until 2021... it has to as GM no longer owns Opel. At that point they will retire the name Commodore.

    I predict Holden as a badge will also disappear in the next 5 years. New vehicles coming in will be badged Chev or something else. It doesn't make sense for a global company to continue spending money on a badge for a relatively small market.
     
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    Adza, sure as **** it wont last as long as current model Pajero.
     
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    I wonder if a Chinese company will buy the Holden badge?
    They bought the brand "Energy Australia" and so much of the country, who knows what else...

    Actually, if a Chinese company buys the Holden badge that GM doesn't want anymore, I hope they are smart enough to buy the VF platform/designs etc.
     
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    I did read somewhere that when the Camaro is released in Oz it will still carry the Chev badges and not Holden ones. So I think you can bet your arse the Holden name will be gone in a few years.

    i just wish GM sold Elizabeth and related Zeta property to the Punch Group.
     
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    commodore665 expat Saffa

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    What else would the Camaro be but a Chevrolet , GM have killed off Pontiac , Oldsmobile , both names with a longer history than Holden , so would they care if the name dies .
     
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    I just did 5000KM trip in the wife's Aurion and it has nearly 90,000KM up on it now, still is like it was when new, goes better on E10 than 91 unleaded for sure, I got it up to 230KM/H on one straight, I got pulled up at a breath and drug test and was asked if it was my car, I said it's the wife's and the cop said, so he is thrashing your car then and I said flat to the boards.
    I don't mind the Aurion she quicker than the commodore V6 are, but on dirt roads Aurions are crap and pushing them real hard around tight corners so it's not my cup of tea, not a real mans car but not bad for a wife's car, she could of got a Camry I would not want to drive that crap at all as it would be about as boring and pathetic limp as the greens and the Labour party are.

    I expect the New Holden V6 commodore will go better with that 8 speed auto box and the all wheel drive should make cornering just as good as a rear wheel drive hopefully, so I think it will be a good car to drive hard and fast.
    I think the new V6 commodore will surprise people who own all the other V6 commodores and impress the V8 drivers for it being a V6, as the 8 speed auto will just flog the old V6 6speed auto for sure if the ratios are good, it may put it close to V8 times and be way better on fuel.

    The all wheel drive setup is not the third rate power Robbing rubbish that they had in the VZ.
     
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    Zeke, i agree that some things are better than others in particular areas.

    But some, like yourself and I are after one that can do it all.

    I only came back because, it's made for this country, parts are cheaper, everyone knows how to work on them, and it finally sounds and handles like like a great car should. FINALLY!
     
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    OK, remember when Jaguar wanted to build the X-type using the Ford Mondeo platform. The first thing they did was to put an ALL Wheel drivetrain in it because the boss said that front wheel drive wasn't going to cut it. They did a bloody good job styling that car and it does look like a Jag to me. After the initial release and public acceptance of a Jag built using a Ford Mondeo platform and because there were already a bunch on the roads, they started producing an entry level X-type without the rear differential. The front wheel drive models snuck in. The strategy was to get the new car accepted by the traditional and aspirational Jag customers and later they saved some money by building the same car with less bits.
    Holden should do the same. We know it is an Opel Insignia and they should follow the Jaguar marketing example. If we accept the car with ALL Wheel drive and V6, then they can sneak in the 4cyl FrontWheelDrive after.
    4cyl Front Wheel Drive is a different buyer.
     
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    And the Lancer. They’ve had the current shape for about 10 years. It’s funny because when they were both released they were near the top of their respective classes.
     
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    I'd have put Holden on it, here.
    Then offer a $300 bow-tie-badge kit, Chev floor mats, Chev mud flaps, a $200 Chevrolet umbrella for the boot etc.
     
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    NG = No Go / Not Good (take your pick)

    That said, if there’s a AWD 3.6 Calais V then maybe
     
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    Is anyone running a book, that whilst the NG is coming from Europe, it will only be a couple of years and the NG "series 2" will be made in China... now to check sports bet and the like for odds... (A Buick NG in China?)
     
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    aren't we a part of china, that's the way were going, maybe we will manufacture cars here again :mad:
     
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    May not be badged Calais V, but there’s going to be a spec-level of ZB that’s a ~8-year-newer equivalent of a 6cyl Calais V & with AWD.
     
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    According to the news.com.au from 2013, that was a done deal for 2017.

    The 2017 Holden Commodore will be made in China
    December 14, 2013 2:33pm

    The 2017 Holden Commodore could come from China where it will also be sold as a Buick. Artist impression by Martin Banks.Source:Supplied
    Joshua Dowling National Motoring Editor
    News Corp Australia Network

    THE Holden Commodore of the future will be as Australian as the shirts on our backs: it will likely be made in China.

    To gain approval to develop a new Commodore, General Motors did a top-secret deal with Holden to pair the next generation sedan with a Buick that was originally exclusive to the Chinese market.

    Holden won the contract to design the car, which was then due to be built in Australia and China.

    But now that Holden has decided to shut its Elizabeth car assembly line in 2017, China is poised to become the sole producer of the vehicle.

    Documents obtained by News Corp Australia confirm every Holden fan's worst nightmare: the next generation Commodore will be a front-wheel-drive car powered by a four-cylinder engine.

    Every top-selling Holden since the birth of the company in 1948 has been a six-cylinder, rear-wheel-drive sedan.

    The last time Holden sold a four-cylinder Commodore in the early 1980s, sales tanked.

    The four-cylinder Ford Falcon released last year has also failed to boost sales, accounting for less than 10 per cent of deliveries.

    Holden insiders are now fighting to make a V6 available as an option on the future Commodore.

    When asked why Holden would continue with the Commodore badge given that the 2017 version bears no resemblance to the models before it, a Holden insider said: "It's easier to explain to buyers that something has changed about a car they know, than to say 'Here's the new Holden XYZ'."
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    The 2017 Commodore will lose its practical box-shaped body and instead take on sleek styling cues from Europe.
     
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    Calaber Nil Bastardo Carborundum

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    I love the way these articles refer to Holden's sales tanking when fitted with 4 cylinder engines in the past. It wasn't so much the fact that they only had four cylinders, it was the fact that they drove like they only had two.

    That's hardly likely to be the case with the ZB.
     

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