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Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by Dane80, Feb 12, 2018.

  1. monstar

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    OP the question you ask in the title and original post as to whether it is a good deal, the forum is split with honest informed concern about paying a terribly unethical, overinflated premium to scumbags in a failing new car supply chain, and a minority in denial of the hurt and painful facts of life, suggesting you blow your dough through sheer wasteful hedonism. Coz you deserve it.
    What did you expect :D
     
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    While I have offered no opinion, your comment is that people who did and agree with you have honest informed opinions but those who have a different opinion to you are in denial and hence their opinion is less important. Unreal.
     
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    Well yeah, and your comment is on a comment on a comment suggesting that I was suggesting that my view is honest and the opposite dishonest.
    That was not the case and I’m sorry if that offends you.
    My mention to the OP was the dichotomy of member comments specifically represents genuine concern over impulsive stupidity vs glib hedonism.
    So what was your point? That you believe honest hedonism is equally valid as OP’s concerns over value and whether he’s being ripped off? Anyone can sit back and witness an error of judgement. When someone specifically asks if it is a good deal (presumably fiscally not self-aggrandising), and it doesn’t add up except for feeding an ego, then there is an onus to underline logic vs ego where appropriate.
    Having the opposite position may not be dishonest, just poor form in relation to the OP.
     
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    Monstar is right, despite out own individual points of view the response to this question is entirely predictable.
     
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    Point of order Your Honour; the question wasn't "Is this a good deal", it was "Is this a good deal for a GTS-R".
    They're nowhere near the same question! :)
     
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    ' Impulse' is not necessarily linked to stupidity.....though sometimes...hindsight proves it so.
    Doing something that makes your heart sing....is sometimes better than allowing your head to
    take control of every decision you make.
    Umpteen thousands of children are born in this world....because of an ' impulse '.
    Buy the GtsR mate.....don't risk leaving 124 grand behind in your estate where some relative
    might go out and spend it on ' impulse '.
     
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    I was just merely asking the question to a forum or society of people that share a passion for Holden’s....it was never intended to be a deciding factor or the pinnacle of my decision in any respect....yes I could spend 160k on a c63 that will depreciate just as fast maybe even quicker and ultimately I’d stand there and look at and think to myself I paid even more for something I didn’t really want...it is a lot of money for a hsv I know which is a factor in my decision as well...I’ve done some more research and found only 5 manuals left for sale on Carsales...that are all over 130k some with no options at all, one fuckhead dealer wanted 160k saying “these are rare” “you won’t find one” “they are going to be worth money”....what a load of shyte...maybe in 30 years they will, but not the reason I want one, and would I sell it if it doubled in price, probably not....I told this bloke I had one on hold for 124k...And he just looked at me smugly...some of these dealers are acting like they are selling the holy ******* grail...
     
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    Ah yeah you’re right, much more subjective not pondering “if I drink to oblivion will I regret it and possibly die if not have a hangover for days” rather soecific like “will ten of these Flaming Orgasms get me tanked”.
    Same complete disclosure required I would have thought.
     
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    OP see there’s a subtlety here, an HSV claims to be both Holden and another thing altogether. A deliberately different club, where you won’t hear mention of the word Commodore.
    This particular forum is Just Commodores and is somewhat inclusive but perhaps you would do better to ask a forum specifically excluding me and my like, more Club-like minded people who are happy to pay a premium specifically to be in a related but non-Holden Commodore club?
    Of course members will agree you are most welcome to ask us here about your car because yes it is actually a Commodore with some bits and lots of badges, but for the value equation that justifies the existence of HSV I think is worth asking same on hsvforum.com.au
     
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    I would but combination of cbf and that site is rubbish
     
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    The rego papers for my VE Clubsport say:

    Make - HOL
    Model - COMMODO

    I'd be interested to know if other HSV owners have the same on their rego.




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    Same as yours, Commodore with bits stuck on by HSV
     
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    in a word NO, the car is now 17 plated, the people that really wanted them and were happy to pay for the privilege have got them, HSV in there greed have over supplied the model now the dealers will have to try a lot harder the $124 000 to sell them.
     
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    Not ever nor likely to be one in the elitist Holden wank club, but twice been pulled up and, presumably to add salt to the wound, ticketed as (an old fart in) an HSV.
     
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    I'm just pointing out that the rego authorities seem to see them as just tarted up Commodores even if their owners can't accept it.



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    I agree it is a commodore, if it’s the same car why do you hate them so much?
     
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    Part of buying a car (especially cars in this class) is the badge factor. Yes, a $130k HSV is a modified version of a $65k Holden. One could say the same thing about a Merc C63 as opposed to a base model C class, where the price gap is even greater. i could theoretically modify a Merc C250 to be quicker, better looking, better handling, etc than a C63, but at the end of the day it's still a C250.

    The guy who buys a GTSR or C63 also buys it because it has HSV or AMG badge on the boot. It's been that way since Jesus was a child :)
     
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    Says the founding member of the "E85, VVT, hi-comp, rebuild my engine different to everyone else cause I know better" wank club. You're having a go at the OP for wanting to spend his hard earned coin on what you believe to be a waste of money, but how much have you spent on yours? Most on here would probably think that was a waste of money, pumping cash into rebuilding a motor that'll be in a high km Commodore just to save a few litres per hundred on the highway, when a petrol V8 anything would be at the bottom of the list of anyone travelling long distances on a regular basis.
     
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    One difference between the AMG and the HSV is a C63 has longer chassis rails and a different track to the MB models and the front panels and bonnet are not interchangeable, nor will the rims fit where a HSV uses the basic underpinnings of the Commodore.

    And that's before you get to what is needed to fit all the go fast and bling bits where some HSV models share a lot of driveline componentry with a Commodore.



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    Because the modifications he's made to his cars cost him a helluva lot less than the modifications the HSV people make to HSV cars, and he's got at least the same performance while having few other other tangible downsides (MRC being the only one I can think of with the few seconds I've put into it).

    Oh, and also because someone buying an HSV is able to buy fuel at more than 10 servo's nation-wide. :D
     
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