JC Political Thread - For all things political Part 2

I'm sure if someone comes across any positive news about the federal government it will be posted. I'm not holding my breath though

 

What will it achieve?. A defensive slurring match that misses the point of the question. If these discussions were to be talked about they would have been weeks ago. Lets just place the slipper discussion in the hard basket where everyone is happier to leave it. Because that talk asks way to many hard questions most don't want to touch. And current politics want to distance themselves, "he's with you" - "no he will always be with you" who were we talking about?. Don't remember? Never mind.

 

Who's talking about specific governments. I'm talking news and some of the biggest of the year since rudd/gillard had a tea party and rudd was kicked out. I thought i'd let you know that before you/someone went off and guessed.

 

I have to say I do find the whole Slipper thing a bit of a farce. The libs had no problem with him while he was on their team, but now they say he has always been a bad apple..

I dont support either major party, they arent that dissimilar politically.. all I see is a bunch of overpaid fools arguing with each other like teenagers. Although my politics are left and green, I dont see labour as particularly left and I dont see the greens as particularly green. I dont see ANY party that is well managed, effective and honest.

I cant quote back news articles because A. I CBF and B. I doubt I could find much I liked about anybody to defend them. That doesnt mean the libs are better, or labour is worse, it means they are both rotten to the core.

There was a day when politics was honourable, and things that were good for the country got bipartisan support. These days its just automatic.. you say yes, I say no. I've actually seen it stated in here that its the oppositions 'job' to oppose.. what utter nonsense.

No party give a rats arse about whats good for the country, only whether they can keep their lies undiscovered long enough to get elected next term.

 

Big farce!..
The LNP are walking around to frightened to speak for or against him other than you know hes been a bad boy in the past. But can they ridicule him fully no. They need to be very careful. If his actions are normal and have been like this in the past - why hasn't he been dealt with long before now. Many people on both sides need to be held accountable, and no one is willing to take any ownership.

Like this thread, it lives on rumours and slagging people, what better opportunity does it have than this current one?.

 

Feel free to post any issue you like. I'd like to think I offer reasoned argument and have congratulated the government when I think they have done a good job. Unfortunately with the current lot said good jobs are few and far between :/

Which questions?? Slipper was not going to be pre-selected for the Libs at the next election so he has gone for a grab for cash at the speakers chair. Overall as Speaker he has actually done a good job. Pitty his extra curricular activity is a tad slimy. What does that mean?

1. Bad for Liberal for running him for so long
2. Worse for Labor for taking him on :bang:

It's been acknowledged for quite some time that he would not be pre-selected again and thus why he moved to the speakers chair.

See that is the problem. True left and green have for the most part magnificent ideals that I think 90% of people would agree with. The problem is that it's fantasy land that has a major hurdle in achieving said ideals without sending the place broke. I am yet to see any example world wide of anybody truly achieving those ideals for a sustained period.

I don't particularly blame the parties for that. It's a product of the modern world with instant media and the "now" generation we live in. No different to what ACA and TT have grown into. The old intellectual 7:30 report type current affairs is dead because it doesn't rate. I personally love the old political debates but most people find it terribly terribly boring. Really it's ourselves as a society to blame on this point. The political apathy on this site is strong evidence - 99% of people either don't care or come up with some derogatory generalization with zero actual analysis of the situation and move onto the next v8 supercar buick V6.

Reaper

 

Reaper don't tell me your agreeing with what I said not so long ago about us as a society has hugely changed in a few years. Selfish ignorant. There's more **** drivers on our roads than ever and that attitude now spills outside the car. You of all who drives so much should see this daily..

Slipper, to many clearly have swept his mishaps under the rug..

 

Amen to that.

 

I'm currently reading "Sideshow" by former ALP Finance Minister Lindsay Tanner. He has much to say about the quality of current affairs reporting and media interference (ie control) of political activity and behaviour. I also regularly watch Q and A, just to see what the leaders of this country (from all parties) have to say when confronted with a large audience, rather than just one on one interviews.

I agree with Reaper's and Dakster's comments that too many statements made here are ill-informed generalisations spurred on by general media influence. Have an opinion, by all means, but for Pete's sake, have some knowledge of the subject and be able to make statements that have substance and support and don't make you sound like an ill-informed bogan.

 

??? Sorry - I don't follow that. Not sure what you are referring to.

There are heaps of crap drivers on the road. I don't get fussed by them any more. I just try to stay out of their way and go about my business. No point getting wound up about it.

?? Once again - I'm not following. It's probably me - still 3/4 asleep this morning :/

Reaper

 

You can't stay away from what wants in your divers seat.

Point, people have changed and not for the better. Everyone is full of hate and full on moaning. Can't escape it. Went you the butcher moan moan, gym moan moan, supermarket the cashier looked like she was about to explode into a hussy fit because she only got 6 hours sleep. Today right now everyone finds something in nothing to bitch about.. Some of the people I come across should moan and cry but don't. People today need a reality check and come back down to earth.

People have known past and present about slipper doing untoward things but let it slide. Its like the puppy that craps in your house. If you let it go there will be crap all over the place. Get in early.

 

With the sexual devients in charge now and the aspiring Pappists i can see little hope for the future, i will be voting the bloody good Piss up Party next elections.

 

Sorry - I don't have such a pessimistic view of society. Sure there are our fair share of whiners around - always have been and always will be. There are plenty around who have terrible things happen to them in their lives that manage to still find a silver lining and somehow be happy with what they do have.

As far as slipper is concerned, as I posted above - Stupid for the Libs for letting it go on for this long. Even stupider for the ALP to pick it up given it was such an open secret.

Reaper

 

It's not much different now to years gone by. Many revered leaders in both Australia and world wide over history have been alcoholics and/or womanisers or just out and out crooked.

Reaper

 

"There was a day when politics was honourable, and things that were good for the country got bipartisan support. These days its just automatic.. you say yes, I say no. I've actually seen it stated in here that its the oppositions 'job' to oppose.. what utter nonsense."

Interesting general comment, Dakstar.

Let me ask you two questions.

1. Do you know the percentage of times that the opposition has voted with the government in this current parliament?

2. Do you know the percentage of times that the Greens (supposedly in agreed coalition with the ALP) have voted with the government in this current parliament?

You might be surprised to know the answer, or would you rather just accept the ALP propaganda labelling the opposition as negative.

I don't generally read this thread, and write in it even less. I became agitated with the current farce some time ago, and am putting it out of my mind until the next election. I have more important things to concentrate on than gloomy messages about an incompetent government (I rate it even worse that the Fraser government of 1975 to 1983).

 

Tanner was a seriously switched on bloke, the type of politician that Federal labor desperately need now. Too bad he was a victim of the Kevin Rudd slaying though. I don't know about you but I find Q and A better to watch when there are less politicians on the panel since the panelists actually have intelligent debate. Last Week Sophie Mirabella and her opposite number (I forget his name) carried on like bloody children and didn't answer a question straight all night. They were both only concerned with Rubbishing the opposing party and trying to score cheap political points rather than addressing the questions asked.

They all just remind me of the ABC's hollow men

 

The week before was Bob Brown going it alone. Interesting program, just showed how unusual he is.