JC Political Thread - For all things political Part 2

Iv'e got that on my office wall .

 

Yeah I think it's just way too early to tell. With the budget reception I suspect a DD is highly unlikely unless the fortunes of the ALP turn sharply south with the trade union Royal Commission (doesn't seem to be hurting them so far even with some pretty damning evidence tendered). My gut feeling is that things will pick up economically in 2015/16 with NA starting to roll along very nicely and Europe heading in the right direction (granted with the speed of quad amputee hurdler numptying along on thigh stumps). Whatever happens locally, there will be some pull thru effect on Australia. REIV data points towards moderate growth in domestic housing in the second half of 2015 which will be great for the non-mining Australian economy which has been effectively recessed for some time now.

Most would have to agree that is good for the incumbent leader with the popularity putting pressure on the cross benches to get legislation thru.

 

Rufys now thinks you're a stinking leftie.

 

I don't think abbott will call a DD, I've got a feeling the swing against them will be severe but not enough to topple them but knock them back a few seats. perhaps even another hung parliament. kind of like what happened here in WA with the senate re election we had to go though. both liberal and labor had a swing against them and the federal liberal government is fiercely unpopular here at the moment because of tone's broken promises and canberra in general turning it's back on WA.

 

At the moment, hung senate means Abbott can't deliver on what he promised. No point blaming the senate, they won their seats fair and square, and are voting in accordance to party platform or what they perceive to be sensible, all things considered....

So Abbott could call DD election. Thing is, he will lose it. Badly. According to opinion polls at least. And who isn't surprised. Toughest budget perhaps ever, coupled with Abbotts numerous gaffes, accidental insults, global mockery, he is an utter embarrassment.

Oh well. Sucks to be him.

 

He also said he wouldn't deal with minorities, yet he's bending over. Hey, Tony, Clive says pick up the soap, do it.

 

Abbot said he wouldn't do any additional deals to further extend the coalition beyond what was already established before the election to form government. I'm sure you already knew that but suspect you deliberately omitted that piece of information because it didn't serve your agenda

 

It's quite correct to say that each Senator won their seats within the rules, but Palmer's party seems to stand for.....what exactly? They have no platform, they are an odd mixture of Nevilles who don't even seem to agree within themselves. One seems to be on a personal vendetta against the government, and wants the top job for herself. The leader is a loony.

I don't believe the present state of affairs can continue for much longer before Abbott is forced to dissolve both houses. The government is not governing - it's trying to smooch up to Palmer, with little or no success. to get any of its budget passed, let alone the carbon tax. It's popularity may be at an all time low, but politicians have to recognise national need far outweighs personal ambition. Labor and the Greens know that they can stand firm, disregarding the "mandate" over the carbon tax, because the budget is so unpopular, and sit there drooling over the prospect of an early election.

The most important thing to consider is the national good. Regardless of whichever party gets elected, IMO we should go to another election, at the earliest opportunity, and give the Australian electorate a chance to clean out the rat's nest that parliament has become. If this means that the Coalition loses, so be it, but for Pete's sake, let's have a government that the majority of people want, being able to govern without backhand deals, crawling to minorities or getting into bed with the enemy just to get the required majority. The last government was fouled by the Greens alliance and this one is screwed by a hostile Senate.

I can see a DD before the year is out, certainly long before the 12 months that Abbott spoke about last week.

 

I think there should be a DD for the sake of Australian politics.

These independents are amusing, but how they got there, or more so on how few votes they got there is the scary thing.

Just think of the extremists, of all sorts, religious to anarchists, out there plotting to get in the same way.

They need to change the whole senate voting system.

And after a DD we will see if he has this mandate he keeps spruiking.

 

Whilst Calaber & XUV have excellent points regarding politics for the greater good of the country sadly our electoral system just doesn't support the same outcome. For now, restraint of spending and some more taxation is needed but even though most whole heartedly agree, the list of people with excuses why this or that group can't contribute etc is as long as the eye can see. Put simply, there is no popular answer to this and another election wont' fix that.

Weather you agree with the policy or not the facts are workchoices wasn't popular with the public and those memories tied to the last time we gave 1 party control of both houses is still strong and short of a major major goof on the loosing side, I can't see it happening again for a long time.

 

Reap

I don't suggest that a majority in both houses for one party is the ideal solution as it can lead to abuse, but I can't see the government being able to function effectively at any time whilst the PUP holds the numbers it does and acts so unpredictably. Remember that these three PUP senators and the Motorists' Party senator have been elected for six years, not three. That means two full terms of government trying to negotiate with a party that changes with the wind. Even if Labor was to win the next election, it will have to deal with those four, though I suspect a general election might see the people of Fairfax realise what they have done and vote Palmer out. Where the PUP would stand then, without a "leader", is anybody's guess.

There will always have to be some horse-trading with the Senate where a majority isn't held by the government, but the situation we have now cannot be good for the country.

 

I can't wait for the Royal Commission's findings to be handed down. Hopefully it sees the end of unions as they currently stand in Australia.

 

politicians are all the same , get rid of the lot and have one person to do the job that is voted in by the public , save cost and get s##t done. Too many Indians , we only need one party to do the job.

Its all ways been ... Labour spends money , Liberal saves money .

When they remove the carbon Tax will every item that was increased come back down , they say Gas , electricity should but what about everything else that been effected from the carbon Tax , time will tell.

 

You can experience this in under 20hrs if you want to...

 

Raj

Care to enlighten us where you drew that quote from re the CFMEU? From the tone of the language, it doesn't appear to have been mainstream media.

 

News - JULIA SURE COULD PICK 'EM

 

just a side thing.

read in todays paper someone comparing the amount of bills Gillard got through, which was 127 and so far compared to the 8 of the current lot.
now im not an expert in this. and they were applauding Gillard for that. (was in the letters to editor your say area)

but how many of the 127 were actually useful, decent or so forth that were not utter rubbish?

and what does a bill actually have to be of?

because 127 new rulings or similar seem a bit far fetched for usefulness.
where as, 8 so far seem low, but atleast in my eyes, it doesn't seem out there.

just something from my readings of the Herald Sun today that's all.

 

I can recall one Labor Minister, in justification for the effectiveness of his government, boasting that over 400 pieces of legislation (ie bills) had been passed during that term of government. Your point is valid. Just how many of those bills were sound, worthwhile legislation and how many were meaningless rubbish, who can tell?

And thanks for that reference Reap. Yeah, hardly mainstream media, old Pickering. Guess he's not on Julia's Christmas card list.