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JC Political Thread - For all things political Part 2

Benjamin K

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Unfortunately Ben you havent addressed the point I raised, there are no teachers that will stand up an be counted and say they advocate the return of corporal punishment to the class room, surely there are some who have scruples if this is really the best thing?
Can you send me an invite to your fantasy world, everything seems so silky and fluffy there. Must be an awesome place to live? If no invite, where can I send my application?

Do you know how workers unions work?
 

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After KRudd's performance on Q&A on monday, my prediction is that his days even as foreign minister will be numbered.

Theres no way Gillard is going to say boo to Rudd at the moment, he is on the verge of having a giant 6 year old kid in Toys R Us tantrum. She wont risk having to go to an election and if she punishes him, thats exactly where we are going.

Rudd today said that despite calls for him to shut his gob, he will continue to reveal the truth about his time as Prime Minister. So expect some more to come out from him if he is questioned.
 

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I didn't like Rudd as PM, and have serious doubts about his fitness to return to that job. But ****, he sure looks and sounds more like a Prime Minister than that red headed idiot we have at present.
 

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I remeber when teachers could grab me by the arm and sit me in a chair. Wasn't the cain or any other punishment physical punishment, but it gave me the impression that if i misbehaved there could be further action taken against me to stop misbehaving. I also knew in the back of my head that if my mother were to be informed of said misbehavior, i would either get an earbashing or a good hard smack (Which i say was the best thing at the time).

Kids are smart enough to know these days that mum on the couch with her bundy and winny reds isnt going to care whether he's misbehaving or not and that a teacher cant put them in their place anymore, So they run an absolute riot.

Because in reality THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCES that will shock them enough to mkae them stop.
The way i was treated early on by teachers meant over the years i gained immense amount of respect towards them.

What im trying to say is teachers need to regain powers to restrain a child if it is deemed by them that the child is behaving incorrectly causing a disturbance to other childrens workflow or causing harm to other children.

The cain and stick might be a bit far but, teachers need some sort of power over children so that the children will respect the fact that the teacher IS in charge.
 

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I'm not quite sure how, under any law, that anybody does not have the right to defend themselves be they teachers, bakers or boiler makers. Giving teachers corporal punishement capabilities will not resolve kids behaving badly issues because quite frankly it's the Mums and Dads that should be ensuring the kids are doing the right thing. If a child believes he is overstepping the boundaries that have been set him by his parents then he/she will be more inclined to do the right thing at school. Agreed I copped "6 of the best" from a few teachers that seemed to enjoy it a little to much. I think that discipline needs to begin at home. Not violence, self discipline can be created through positive reinforcement.
 

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Rudd is in an interesting position at the moment, on the one hand he is running his mouth, something that the current government can't stand for right now, on the other they cannot do anything about it because it would cause them immense damage/bring on another election. Think about it, if you were a smart capable person in the position to enact glorious vengeance on those who recently made a pincushion out of your back while remaining untouchable, what would you do?
Lets face it, when contrasted against the personal vendettas of a few squabbling overpaid infantile retards the needs of a nation are insignificant, right?
/sarcasm
 

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Kids are smart enough to know these days that mum on the couch with her bundy and winny reds isnt going to care whether he's misbehaving or not and that a teacher cant put them in their place anymore, So they run an absolute riot.

Bundy and winny reds??? Not arguing with the rest of it, but what it seems you are saying here is that teachers cant do anything, and mums are drunks who dont care?

Lets just assume that the mum is actually one of the majority of mums who DOES give a crap, and doesn't drink or smoke... wtf is she going to do? She has her hands tied just as much as the teacher does. At least, if the teacher is accused of giving the kid a hiding, there are likely to be witnesses to disprove this. All it takes for a mum to be in trouble is for the kid to whine to one of the bleeding hearts who specialise in encouraging kids to be able to do anything they want, assuring them that there are no consequences. The mum cant prove anything, she doesnt have a classroom of witnesses on her side.

A lot of families have been destroyed and a lot of kids lives ruined, because the parents are no longer able to apply any real discipline. Sure you could take their X-Box off them for a month.. they would either go and stay at a friends place for a week, without permission and uninvited by the friends parents (also too scared to say no when their own kid demands it) or go and steal one. Thats where a lot of kids morals are today.

This problem has also been made worse by the modern McMansion mentality. Young couples wanting a 5 bedroom, 3 bathroom house with a plasma screen on every wall - now!! In order to pay for this, there is no choice but for both hubby and wife to work. The kids have become latchkey kids, there is no-one home to supervise outside of working hours. Even without corporal punishment, having a stay at home parent can only benefit them.
 

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Krudd is a smarmy smartarse. Gillard is the best of a bad lot as far as labour are concerned. Abbot is a MORON, note the caps.
I think she should kick Kev out, go into election mode and take her chances. I don't like her either, but the current situation is untenable. We need a majority govt, regardless of which govt it is. No govt can keep their promises under the conditions they all work in at the moment. It doesn't matter whether Gillard wants a carbon tax at all, she has no choice. Bob Brown pulls the strings.

If Gillard wants me to take her seriously, she needs to engineer a double dissolution, and let the people try again to vote in a workable govt. It needs to be a double dissolution because the Senate also needs fixing. Remember what happened to Gough Whitlam? What happens if Bob Brown decides to side with the libs and block supply because Gillard wants to keep a promise that he doesn't want kept? Thats why we will get a carbon tax, she has no choice.
 
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Calaber, Tony started out with new policies etc. Problem we saw was that media outlets were bagging **** out of him (as well as Labor) because of budgetary issues. Now, last I checked they were in opposition so access to treasury is limited. How do you come up with attempted budgeted policy without this access? How do you come up with policy when the government IN POWER are treating the opposition like they are in power? How do you do it when the media do the same?

He has no choice but to call out the government because anything that is said is scrutinised much much more than the party in power<sic>.

As I recall it.. Abbot was asked to use the treasury to cost his promises and refused, preferring to use a commercial company instead. Given that there is no way the commercial company can possibly have access to all of the resources and data of the treasury, he did himself in by going down that road. Many Australians, myself included, attached NO credibility to his ability to keep his promises simply because he refused to allow them to be examined and costed by the most credible scrutineer.

My memory is not so good these days, but I think he eventually did hand it over to treasury and they found huge holes in it?

If he had proven his promises were keepable, I may even have voted for him. Bloody glad I didn't though, his true colours are clearly visible now. He doesnt give a crap about the common good, he just wants the job and will say and do anything he thinks will get it for him. I guess I hadn't ever paid much attention to him before though, because I also hadn't realised what an extreme lack of intelligence the man has. This guy is Australia's George W Bush lol....

If the Libs come up with real policies, credible solutions, and prove via the treasury that they can afford to do it.. then I will consider again.. maybe.. but I will NEVER vote for a party with such a moron at its helm.

The treasury is available for either party to run costings on their policies. They dont need full access to the treasury.. they just need some basic numbers which are publicly available to create a general policy, and to provide their proposed plans to the treasury and ask them to cost them properly. If it turns out the cost is too high, then they obviously need to rethink. This they can do... if they had anything solid to submit.

In what way is Abbot more scrutinised than Gillard? The whole circus is out there for everyone to view. They are both copping flak, and rightly so. Gillard maybe has enough sense (or cunning?) to not say the outrageously stupid things that Abbot is becoming famous for. I guess that might earn him more headlines. A cynic might say thats deliberate.... ;)



" How do you come up with policy when the government IN POWER are treating the opposition like they are in power? How do you do it when the media do the same? "

Huh? OK maybe I am as stupid as Abbot, but that makes no sense at all to me? How are the govt and the media treating the libs as if they are in power?
 
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