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JC Political Thread - For all things political Part 2

Skydrol

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We have the same BS with Columbus. The holiday is now observed; do want to piss the natives off (pun intended). Our natives have similar deals but since they are a nation on thier own, some tribes live pretty well. They are notorious for opening casinos and tobaco shops on native land and is a very lucrative business. Perhaps in Oz could be implemented and stop the hand-me-downs.

In another hand, I bet, the head of organization/s behind of the hoopla is making money hand over fist. They do not give 2 shites about people living on mud brick homes.

Here is a good example, the super short version.... The Clinton foundation stole pretty much all the money that was supposed to be given to the Haitians; now, the wife is running for presie, her brother is "managing" Haiti's gold mines.

Haiti's Gold

On this case, is that an invasion or a settlement?
 

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I just find it humerous that we have this big deal about "invading" Australia.

This entire planet has been forged out of conquest and resettlement. So, if you want to call it invasion, who cares and what are you going to do about it?

Do countries who lived under the Roman Empire still cry about Caesar?

The patterns of population clearly indicate that Australia was settled.

The fact remains that if the English did not do it, the French, Dutch and Spanish were all racing here and they would have done FAR worse. If anyone thinks that in 2016, Australia would be unsettled and primitive they are simply deluded. Its time to put away this nonsense, accept that we live in a Western, 21st Century world and either get with the program or go live in a mud brick house without your handouts and iphones. That goes for the idiots driving this change to.

Cook and other explorers were not invaders, through, they were merely scouting missions. Same with Columbus, Cortez, what have you. Just about western nations are guilty of a colonial past. Its not that first peoples everywhere were exposed to arguably superior technologies. Its the fact that lands and resources were in a large part comandeered and for well over a century the first peoples didn't get any slice of the pie, and weren't given a seat at the table in the society that eventuated. How could they? Until at least the 1960s in Australia, Aboriginies were basically excluded from the national discussion. Yes much has been done to alleviate the past injustice but it will take generations to fix.

Settlement and Invasion are two terms that basically mean the same thing, but carry far different meaning and emotion.

Europe has been reconquered and resettled so many times the things probably lost all relevance. But they are still a bit narky about WW2 and the cold war.
 

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Whatever you want to call it, this unnecessary attempt by the lefties to rewrite (or at least, redefine) history is bloody stupid and pointless. Settlement, occupation, invasion, whatever you want to call it - it makes no difference to what actually took place and it won't add up to a monkey's toss about what actions will be taken in the future.
 

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In my opinion, its these actions that further drive the wedge between the two communities and does far more harm than good.

Agreed. The fools that perpetrate this rubbish only help to inflame attitudes and obstruct progress in any reconciliation
 

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Agreed. The fools that perpetrate this rubbish only help to inflame attitudes and obstruct progress in any reconciliation

Part of reconciliation is to be honest about what happened in the past. Any recovery program (for people at least) relies heavily on honesty, and a simple acknowledgement of what happened. What is really the worst that can happen if a generation of school children learn that Australia was invaded rather than settled? We might want to change the date of Australia day or something like that. Skys not going to fall in. Life goes on.

That being said, most ideas about reconciliation come from Whites. Some have an indigenous source, like the 'Recognition' initiative. But I hear a lot of complaining from Aboriginal activists - at which point I say 'ok, what do you actually want us to do? put forth some ideas, and we can consider them'. Else......complaining has never never solved a problem. Proper action and initiative can.
 

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Want to be exposed to that garbage to no end? Watch USA news. There is always a reminder and always celebrating some ethnic crap via self-segregation.
 

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Part of reconciliation is to be honest about what happened in the past. Any recovery program (for people at least) relies heavily on honesty, and a simple acknowledgement of what happened. What is really the worst that can happen if a generation of school children learn that Australia was invaded rather than settled? We might want to change the date of Australia day or something like that. Skys not going to fall in. Life goes on.

That being said, most ideas about reconciliation come from Whites. Some have an indigenous source, like the 'Recognition' initiative. But I hear a lot of complaining from Aboriginal activists - at which point I say 'ok, what do you actually want us to do? put forth some ideas, and we can consider them'. Else......complaining has never never solved a problem. Proper action and initiative can.

Honesty is fine, but trying to reverse accepted history by changing a few words doesn't really achieve much. It might placate a few activists who resent something and want things changed to benefit a select group or section of society, but does changing words really change anything else? I doubt it.

As for ideas about reconciliation and to elaborate on your final point. Why is it that the indigenous community is so unable to do anything for itself? It's easy to blame the white fella, but surely self-improvement is just that - "self". Why can't the indigenous community conceive ideas that they can undertake and achieve without any or only minimal outside help? Why can't they think for themselves? If migrants can arrive here with little and make successes of their lives, what's stopping such a substantial proportion of indigenous Australians from doing the same?
 

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History, has always been written by the victor. Part of reconciliation is being honest about the past, correct. But from what perspective? From a legal perspective and from the perspective of those who settled the nation, it was a migration and colonization of a land mass that was uncivilized. From the viewpoint of the Aboriginals, they had land taken from them and it was an invasion. So why are we siding with a particular viewpoint? For the sake of being politically correct? If you keep driving the notion of invasion you cement the idea that White Australia is evil.

My view (coming from someone who has a parent who was taken from her neglectful, drug abusing, leech on society aboriginal mother and has since disowned anything to do with her family, thank ####) is that the current generation of Aborginals have a decision to make. Are we going to prosper or die? They have two choices. You can continue the life many lead now. Dependant on welfare, drug and alcohol abuse and continually blaming others for their problems or, they can accept that yes, 250 years ago they may have had some bad things happen to them but its time we joined the 21st Century, accepting what has happened and adapting whilst also keeping and some tradition alive and doing their best keep their culture alive.

Reconciliation needs both parties to come to the table.
 
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