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Discussion in 'VY Holden Commodore (2002 - 2004)' started by Sticky, Apr 10, 2006.

  1. Sticky

    Sticky New Member

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    Thought I would share my adventures last weekend when replacing my front parkers with white LED's and rear tail lights with red LED's.
    I started by replacing the front parkers with the white LED's. They look fantastic. Extreme white colour.
    Then I set about replacing the rear tail lights with red LED dual contact "bulbs".
    They look magnificent, however they caused a few other problems which I was not expecting.

    1. Traction control is permanently off
    2. Cruise control will not switch on
    3. Rear spoiler tail light comes on dimly when the parkers are on and engine is running, then lights brighter when the brake is on
    4. Parkers will not turn on reliably when you approach the car and turn off the alarm

    I soon discovered at least one other person in this forum who had the same cruise control problem after installing the LED tail lights in his monaro so I knew I wasn't going mad.
    I know some people would say that having the traction control permanently off is a bonus but losing the cruise control probably ruins the good news.

    I then discovered several posts on the web about this problem and something to do with the cruise control thinking the brake is on and therefore won't turn on etc.
    Then I stumbled across these "LED Equalisers" that are actually just a 6 Ohm 5 watt resistor that adds a load back into the circuit so that the computer can sense that there is a bulb present.

    Then I had an idea. I have had a tow bar installed so I figure perhaps I can install the resistor across the pins on the trailer connector that connect to the trailers tail lights. Then I realised that I don't need a resistor, I already have one, and that is one of the old bulbs I just pulled out of the tail light. The trailer connector spends most of it's time inside the boot so won't be seen from the outside. So I wired one of the bulbs across the pins on the trailer connector and BINGO, cruise is back, t/c is back and the parkers now turn on when the alarm is switched off everytime.
    Sure the globe lights up in the boot evertime you put your foot on the brake, but it's no hotter than a resistor. In fact it is probably cooler than a resistor as some of the power is being dissapated as light instead of heat.
    I haven't checked the rear spoiler to see if it now doesn't come on dimly when the parkers are on and the engine is running (you can see this happening in the attached pic) it's a bit late in the evening to start the car with it's new exhaust system :whistling

    Hope this helps others who want to put LED lights on their commy.



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  2. bradvt98

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    got a pic of the front ones?
     
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    Here...

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  4. brentmc

    brentmc Custom: Better than stock

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    Where did you get the ones for the front?

    ...from the pic, which is a lil hard to go by, they look like a pretty vibrant white
     
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    Yeah the white light is very hard to pick up on the camera but it is a very brilliant white. Got them from a shop called Motoquipe <http://www.motoquipe.com.au/>.
     
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    brentmc Custom: Better than stock

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    cheers mate.
     
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    I have changed all lights in my vy ss ute to LED's(except head/highbeam/fog lights), u could use a 3 watt globe to sense the earth(for cruise control and parkers on all the time) they will not get as hot as 18 or 5 watts globes, you could stash these in the boot(not resting against carpet) or behind paneling in ute. The LED's i fitted are the brightest with a wider angle available.
    Check www.lazer.com.au.
    I also fitted Philips crystal vision 50+ to the head/high/fog light, they have a very white light.
    I also fitted LED stripes (6 in row, apprrox 30cm long) under the glove box and drivers side to shine onto the floor, these were wired up to the interior light(so they work with remote and door) and look very effective. I used white LED's but these are available in all colours.
     
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    for above a modified flasher unit needs to be used if you change the indercators also. this is also available from above.
     
  9. VX_KN079

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    What's with all the Chev sh*t on the rear end? It's a Holden mate. MUCH better than any Chev the yanks get... Be proud of our brand or at least make up your mind. Chev on the back, Holden on the front???
     
  10. Sticky

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    Naaaaaaa I prefer to stick to the cars true roots.

    *************************************
    Company Name
    GM Holden Ltd

    Head Office
    191 Salmon Street
    Port Melbourne Victoria 3207
    Telephone: 03 9647 1111
    Facsimile: 03 9647 2550
    www.holden.com.au
    GPO Box 1714
    Melbourne Vic 3001

    Main Business
    Manufacture and distribution of motor vehicles, engines, components and parts.

    Parent Company
    General Motors Corporation, Detroit, Michigan, USA.

    *************************************

    I have nothing against the Aussie "Holden" name being applied to General Motors car. Just prefer to show a symbol of the true roots if not just for the engine.
     
  11. VLishes

    VLishes BaZMeG

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    Did you order the flasher unit from that site as well?
    AUN 12 Volt Auto Relay 87x2 German 1 $4.95
    AUC 12 Volt Auto Relay C/O German 1 $4.95
    ??

    I ordered one from the states and it doesn't work.
     
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    STICKY may i say u have one fine car... i have to hand it to ya bro...in 10 years time wen i have the money for one...let us kno if ur sellin her...lol i like
     
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    I could be wrong, but wasn't the VY designed by Australians?
     
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    The engine is probably yank
     
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    Thanx! I'm sure in ten years time you will have found something better LOL!
     
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    although this has nothing to do with the original thread subject ...

    The Commodore.... originally an Aussie modified derivative of the European Opel/Vauxhall Omegas, until the VT which was heavily influenced by GM Buick (USA) that planned to import them to the USA, until their unions found out and stopped it. The old 3.8V6 was an old 1970's buick, then GenIII 5.7 V8 was an american motor, built in Canada.

    And the new VE Commodore apparently has so much foreign content that holden refuses to comment on it. Sadly Globalisation has robbed us of a purely Aussie car, but at least it's still designed by Aussie engineers :king:
     
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    New Holdens (VE) are bs I'm sorry to say, Daiwoo bs.
     
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    Marks-VY I love cars

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    Are LED lamps legal?

    Back to the original thread and as always, I am being the worry wart - but what is are the current legalities of LED lights? From what I understood (and I hope I can stand corrected), LED's are not ADR approved other than the supplementary centre brake light typically found in the rear wing, some trucks and some European cars.

    I understood the approval process is drawn out which has not progressed much (which is possibly why Australian vehicles still have the standard globes).

    Whilst it is a fact that LED's illuminate so much quicker (which can make all the difference at 110km/h) and they last much longer than a standard globe, the "red tape" is holding them back.

    Therefore if you have an accident in which someone rear-ends you, the insurance company have every right to reject your claim against the stupid prick behind you that was not watching the road (or was maybe mesmorised by the fancy brake lights.....!).

    Can anyone tell me I am wrong (based on documentary evidence, not what "my mate" told me)..
     
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    All I can see for SA is:

    "88—Performance of tail lights

    (1) When on, a tail light of a vehicle must:

    (a) show a red light visible 200 metres from the rear of the vehicle; and

    (b) not use over 7 watts power.

    (2) A tail light fitted to a street rod vehicle may incorporate a blue lens not over 20 millimetres in diameter.

    (3) A street rod vehicle is a vehicle that has been modified for safe road use and that:

    (a) has a body and frame that were built before 1949; or

    (b) is a replica of a vehicle the body and frame of which were built before 1949.

    89—Wiring of tail lights

    A tail light of a motor vehicle must be wired to come on, and stay on, when a parking light or headlight on the vehicle is on, unless an external switch is fitted to operate the tail light."

    and

    "99—Performance and operation of brake lights

    (1) When on, a brake light must show a red light visible 30 metres from the rear of the vehicle.

    (2) A brake light fitted to a street rod vehicle may incorporate a blue lens not over 20 millimetres in diameter.

    (3) A brake light fitted to a motor vehicle must come on, if it is not already on, when:

    (a) for a vehicle with 4 or more wheels or built after 1974—a service brake is applied; or

    (b) for another vehicle—the rear wheel brake is applied.

    (4) Subrule (3) does not apply if the controls in the vehicle that start the engine are in a position that makes it impossible for the engine to operate.

    (5) A brake light on a trailer must come on when:

    (a) the brake light of the towing vehicle comes on; or

    (b) a brake control on the towing vehicle, which independently activates the service brake on the trailer, is operated.

    (6) A brake light may be operated by an engine brake, retarder, or similar device if the device does not interfere with the proper operation of the brake light.

    (7) A street rod vehicle is a vehicle that has been modified for safe road use and that:

    (a) has a body and frame that were built before 1949; or

    (b) is a replica of a vehicle the body and frame of which were built before 1949."
     
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    VLishes BaZMeG

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    Sticky: how did you fix the fast flashing blinker problem?? you use a relay or resistors?
     

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