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Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by Mattricho, Feb 2, 2019.

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  1. figjam

    figjam Donating Member

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    For Forg, just curious …. if you co-own it, you have the body shell, and he has all the other bits ?? Did I get that right ?.
     
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    I have different makes of cars and I'm on a lot of different Forums because of it and some are well moderated and some are a free for all and some are so tough they'll will ban you if you say boo.

    I see this one as being in the middle, fair with latitude, if you go too far then you only have yourself to blame.

    Out of interest, which ford Forum are you talking about?



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    I love being seen in my Ford, I wish it was more noticeable.


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    figjam Donating Member

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    https://www.fordforums.com.au/index.php

    I joined that to get info about the Territory. And it has been useful, with some happy, or disgruntled, owners replies.
    Just don't write anything out of line, bagging a Ford product, regardless of how crap it may be in real life, especially a Rustang. And no, I haven't, because my knowledge on that car is zilch. I sat in one, I was disappointed, I wrote nothing.
    Where I incurred wrath, and I have now forgotten about, was a couple of smartarse, jocular replies on 'The Pub' type subjects. Now, I look only for what technical issues may concern the Terri.
     
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    I vaguely recall seeing some terms and conditions when signing up for membership of this forum, but I am at loss as to where I can find the forum rules to reread them. Is there a link somewhere?

    With a large and active forum population, there will be a considerable diversity of views and opinions. In my view, this is a good thing as we can read - and be challenged - by these differing views.

    Part of the problem with a written-format forum is that we don’t have the benefit of being able to read the body language of other posters. Therefore, it can be easy to inadvertently misread the intent or tone of a post. For example, someone’s “brevity” might be taken as too “blunt” or “direct” by the reader. In an one-on-one face-to-face communication, we would usually pick up on the other person being inadvertently offended and offer immediate clarification. It is difficult to do this in a one-to-many conversation, and one where we can’t ascertain the reaction of most of the readers to our posts (as most don’t post replies). Forum threads can quickly degenerated.

    In addition to ‘rules’, I think that there needs to be guidelines on behaviour and etiquette to suit the desired flavour of the forum. For example, some forums has policies of deleting all off-topic posts and only encourage purely technical discussion (and no banter). I wouldn’t like this forum to go down that pathway! But, it shouldn’t be a all-in free-for-all either where a baiting posts soon turn in to all out verbal war.

    I think that we need some guidelines for where the line in the sand lies, and some gentle moderation to delete unnecessary parts of posts that may cause offence so that threads don’t inadvertently degenerate in to a verbal spat.
     
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    Yes. Bottom right hand corner of page.
    Just scroll down.
     
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    I'm over there as well and you'll be banned very quickly if you rubbish the product but they don't stop you from airing grievances about failure or poor service and the like.

    Put simply, your complaint has to be legitimate and not trolling.

    Some Ford models have had atrocious problems and without hearty discussion other members would be in the dark, it's much the same as what is allowed here.

    They also have the problem of a troublesome member that has been banned many many times and keeps rebirthing.

    He's doesn't offer any technical input, his modus operandi is to start off slow with a few newbie type threads then posts a thread that is a backhanded slap in the face at a particular Ford model to intentionally incite some members.

    Not only does that cause a storm with those owners but when other members realise who it is they get involved because of his history and all hell breaks loose.

    He's a master at the passive aggressive technique and comes off so innocent.

    He's been banned from a number of forum but it doesn't stop him.

    You have to feel sorry for moderators when they constantly have to face this type of attack against their forums.

    I don't get on there as much these days but I find it to be a good place as there is a lot of technical help there.




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    Wish I had one of those!! :)

    The mate I co-own the Escort with got all sensible (he was living somewhere with really tight parking & had a work van for use on weekdays), and bought a near-new Barina as his first car for the same price as the pretty decent sounding Zircon Green XT GT we didn't actually go & look at for fear it'd force him to make a decision he'd undoubtedly have regretted (ie. buying a mint XT GT when he really had nowhere to park it). He'd learned to drive a manual in his dad's XT (actually I learned to drive a manual in the same XT :)) so it had more of the feels than an XT usually would for most people.
    I do still kinda wish he'd bought it (even though I'd have done the same sensible thing if I were him), although whether he could've afforded the fuel as a just-outta-school person I don't know.

    It has bits scattered to the four winds. :) Actually, I think the biggest bit he may still have is a 205-casting engine that's been sitting in the weather under only a tarp for 15yrs, but no real loss as my Volvo has me a little tired of old tractor engines even with modern management (we'll probably just use a n/a Duratec). Most bits are either in my shed or my FIL's shed. It's come to a bit of a halt, really, as he's not in a position to spend money on it right now & I don't want to be the only one spending money as that could easily lead to arguments down the track.

    But boy does the VF tow it SO well! Even with those stupidly heavy rental car trailers. We spent a few years when we first started collecting parts using the likes of V6 4WD Rodeos and his dad's 5spd XF and even an L300 … used to have to be really careful, whatever shell we were moving around would push the tow-car around like crazy, but with the VF it was like there was nothing there.
     
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    A link to the forum rules can be found at the bottom of every one of my posts in my signature ;) and a link to the terms and rules (as you would have agreed to when signing up) can be found at the very bottom RH side of every page.

    I believe it is widely accepted and loosely enforced that the technical sections are just that and if you want to banter and shoot the **** so to speak we have the pub or the shoutbox.

    It is also fairly common for threads to run off topic once they have run their cause (as this one has) for better or worse, again if things go to far off the beaten path then they are either cleaned (and notifications issued) or closed (rarely).

    I believe the current mod team is a fairly easy going bunch, I certainly don't want to be a school teacher and believe most adults know what the right behaviour in a public environment is. Having said that, this forum is privately owned and as such I take my direction from Darren who I must say is a rather easy going guy and takes a lot of this in his stride. Most people would never hear from him but plenty aren't happy when the server goes down or some other technical issue crops up and upsets the user base even when 99% of the time the fault is beyond his control.

    Personally, I don't like editing other users posts but have done so to remove or reduce offence where it may be seen, other times I think people need to grow up or grow a thick(er) skin in this PC world we now live in.
     
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    There's a simple rule of thumb when it comes to forum's .
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    I've been there since 2005 and tbh it's the same as here. Varied personalities with various cars and opinions to suit.

    All good, though these days I steer clear of "The Bar" over there and I don't think I've ever looked at "The Bar" here - certainly never posted in it. Too many other places where one can find opinions.

    It does have a very good resources section as well as some very knowledgeable people (same as here).

    Same as a lot of ppl I'm on various other forums as well.

    One thing they all have in common is that if there's going to be a **** fight, it'll be on the weekend.

    Not hard to work out why...
     
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    You could possibly get spacers approved by an engineer, but I doubt it, as the only brand of car I have seen them legally fitted to in Australia is a Porsche.

    I also think the cost of trying to get the approval would out weight the cost of getting the correct offset wheels to suit the brakes you are running.

    The same applies with changing the offset of the standard wheels you are currently running...A section would have to be welded to the bolt up face, to space them out enough for clearance for the brakes, as these wheels are 1 piece.....

    So unfortunately, buying the correct wheels would probably be the cheapest option and the easiest option, especially considering you are having the brake conversion engineer certified
     
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    Some of the Mercedes-Benz performance models have them OEM.




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    Awesome, thread is back on topic :)

    So, in (a short) answer to the OP. No (reading the relevant laws/ADR's).

    The long answer may be that if you spend enough money it might be possible, I guess it really depends on how much time and effort you want to spend on this endeavour?
     
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    According to old mate in that article link I posted @ #39

    I doubt any amount of money will get them certified.
     
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    No one forces anyone to contribute, it's voluntary and certainly not taken but gifted willingly.

    Consumer rights on a forum?

    I am a troll on a forum and have been banned numerous times for breaking the rules and ban evasion and I want to take legal action against them for not letting be a member! Good luck with that!
     
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    immortality Can't live without smoky bacon! Staff Member

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    Completely agree but you have to give them some hope, who knows, sometimes if you find the right engineer who sees a "grey" area they might sneak it through...
     
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    BTW @immortality or @Tatiana , any chance of using your magic wands to clean this thread of all the irrelevant to & fro ?

    IMO this is an important topic that should have the relevant info only for future searchers / reference.
     
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    That's a fair comment but most of the relevant info for the OP was given in the first page and what followed is an good insight into the workings of a serial forum abuser.

    It wouldn't hurt for it to stay for posterity's sake.




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