Just Commodores Forum Community

It takes just a moment to join our fantastic community

Register

Looking for a Mafless tune,OTR and headers Need Help :)

Discussion in 'VE Holden Commodore (2006 - 2013)' started by vvenom32, Mar 17, 2012.

Page 1 of 2
  1. Mar 17, 2012 #1
    vvenom32

    vvenom32 New Member

    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2012
    Location:
    castle hill nsw
    Members Ride:
    2007 Black SSV
    Hey all


    Im in the middle of finding a place to get my Car Mafless tuned so far i have spoken to Steve at OZ Track and the guys at Castle hill performance both seem like they are good.

    Oz track are cheaper with the work i need doing than Castle hill but what are peoples thoughts on the work done by either also is there anyone else i should try or that can offer better prices.

    My car VE SSV Auto 2007

    The work i want done:

    Mafless tune
    OTR install
    A6 Tune
    Headers and cats fitted to my Cat Back system

    Also before the tune im thinking of getting :
    New Perfomance leads
    Spark plugs
    and MSD coils

    What brand/Type plugs and leads should i get and is it even worth doing these things before the tune or at all.

    Thanks and yes its my first V8 so im very new to this all i came from turbo cars

    I would love to do more but funds are tight
     
    vvenom32, Mar 17, 2012
    #1
  2. Mar 17, 2012 #2
    steve01

    steve01 New Member

    Messages:
    15
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2009
    Members Ride:
    VE SS COMMODORE
    Do you realise a mafless tune is illegal, if you get stopped by the police or the RTA they will defect your car, unless you are going to do major engine work get a maf tune done
     
    steve01, Mar 17, 2012
    #2
  3. Mar 17, 2012 #3
    vvenom32

    vvenom32 New Member

    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2012
    Location:
    castle hill nsw
    Members Ride:
    2007 Black SSV
    I was aware of this and its not an issue at all i have driven a very modded gtr for the last six years.

    Plus i cant fit the Duspeed otr with out a mafless tune i thought.

    But thanks for your thoughts
     
    vvenom32, Mar 17, 2012
    #3
  4. Mar 17, 2012 #4
    steve01

    steve01 New Member

    Messages:
    15
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2009
    Members Ride:
    VE SS COMMODORE
    yes you can fit the duspeed without a mafless tune they should come with an adapator
     
    steve01, Mar 17, 2012
    #4
  5. Mar 17, 2012 #5
    vvenom32

    vvenom32 New Member

    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2012
    Location:
    castle hill nsw
    Members Ride:
    2007 Black SSV
    Really steve i was not at all aware of this .

    Thanks for the info on that still would prefer the mafless as later in the year i will be putting a cam package in
     
    vvenom32, Mar 17, 2012
    #5
  6. Mar 18, 2012 #6
    Lumps of cheese

    Lumps of cheese welcome to the machine

    Messages:
    2,770
    Likes Received:
    37
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2005
    Location:
    Warrnambool
    Members Ride:
    83 vh sle, 4x4 hilux, 03 monaro, 07 nightrain
    You'd be a bit stiff to get knocked off really. I've had mafless cars for years now and have never had an issue. Nice choice on the duspeed, the only way to go in otrs in my opinion.
    Plenty of tuners out there as well. I've used Oztrack, GM motorsport and aps proformance to tune my cars and i'm rapt with aps. Remember, cheaper tunes aren't really the way to go. I found out the hard way and ended up re tuning at a cost of $1000. Not that i'm complaining, cos the car is now awesome!
     
    Lumps of cheese, Mar 18, 2012
    #6
  7. Mar 18, 2012 #7
    DECIMATOR

    DECIMATOR New Member

    Messages:
    285
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2012
    Location:
    Sydney
    Members Ride:
    VE SV6
    Try Sonny at Autowerks Automotive in Beverly Hills. He's great, treats your car like his own and he's a perfectionist. I had an OTR and Tune done on my VE SV6. I'm very happy with the results and service. Plus he dose a lot of work on Holden V8s. I would recommend speaking to him before you decide where to go.
     
    DECIMATOR, Mar 18, 2012
    #7
  8. Mar 19, 2012 #8
    Nuddy989

    Nuddy989 New Member

    Messages:
    142
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2011
    Location:
    Mackay
    Members Ride:
    VE SSV
    I would like to see the days a police officer or an RTA officer for that matter could tell the difference between a MAF and MAFless OTR when fitted. Not to mention, with the mods his getting, i'd be even more surprised if a police officer could tell the difference between one that has and hasn't been tuned.


    @original poster
    your going down the right path, your next upgrade would be cam + bigger throttle body but you're looking at a fair amount of $$ for that work. from reading what people have said, both CHE and OzTrack have really good results from their tunes so I think you would be safe with either of them the biggest advantage of getting your car tuned is fixing your auto shifts and taking out some of the torque limitations from factory... makes these cars drive like they should.
     
    Nuddy989, Mar 19, 2012
    #8
  9. Mar 19, 2012 #9
    DECIMATOR

    DECIMATOR New Member

    Messages:
    285
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2012
    Location:
    Sydney
    Members Ride:
    VE SV6
     
    DECIMATOR, Mar 19, 2012
    #9
  10. Mar 19, 2012 #10
    calvv8

    calvv8 New Member

    Messages:
    144
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2012
    Location:
    Pakenham
    Members Ride:
    07 VE Calais V v8
    vvenom32, I was talking to my Performance shop today here in Melbourne, He told me that a "MAF" Tune is better only because of different air temps and density's, With a "MAFLESS" tune the engine will run to rich or lean when it shouldn't, He basically said it will be a DUMB engine because its not using the sensor....Next Friday week im getting 1.5/8 headers and high flow cats, then 2.5 inch system all the way to back with straight trough mufflers...Then that afternoon im getting a MAF tune done on engine and trans...they tell me I will have 250 to 260 RWKW....Around 450hp...:thumbsup:

    If you go Mafless thats your call and i hope you get the gains your after...

    Cheers

    Steve
     
    calvv8, Mar 19, 2012
    #10
  11. Mar 19, 2012 #11
    ryan101

    ryan101 New Member

    Messages:
    760
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2011
    Location:
    whittlesea
    Members Ride:
    vx ss
    Sounds good! I'm interested in the result let us know!!
     
    ryan101, Mar 19, 2012
    #11
  12. Mar 19, 2012 #12
    Potta9

    Potta9 New Member

    Messages:
    321
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2011
    Location:
    Camden
    Members Ride:
    Ve r8 , B2600
    260kw is only 350hp. For a street car without chasing big numbers a maf tune is all you need. Goodluck with it will be much better to drive when it's done.
     
    Potta9, Mar 19, 2012
    #12
  13. Mar 19, 2012 #13
    calvv8

    calvv8 New Member

    Messages:
    144
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2012
    Location:
    Pakenham
    Members Ride:
    07 VE Calais V v8
    Hey potta9, ive got no idea how to work RWKW into RWHP, Is it the same as BHP ( Breake Horse Power)?....I just threw that figure out there because thats what the shop said...lol...
     
    calvv8, Mar 19, 2012
    #13
  14. Mar 19, 2012 #14
    Potta9

    Potta9 New Member

    Messages:
    321
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2011
    Location:
    Camden
    Members Ride:
    Ve r8 , B2600
    It's basically the same yes. 1kw is Approx 1.359hp .

    250kw x 1.359 = 339.75hp

    Engine kw to rwkw for manuals is usually a loss of about 20% and 25% for auto. Hope this helps

    Thanks Luke
     
    Potta9, Mar 19, 2012
    #14
  15. Mar 19, 2012 #15
    calvv8

    calvv8 New Member

    Messages:
    144
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2012
    Location:
    Pakenham
    Members Ride:
    07 VE Calais V v8
    Excellent, Thanks for that...So a GTS that has 317 kw has 430hp less 20% = 344 BHP.... cool..., Then theres NM or Tourqe aswell, And getting power down to the ground and keeping car straight for a 1/4 mile run....Very involved..., but interesting....:beer chug:
     
    calvv8, Mar 19, 2012
    #15
  16. Mar 19, 2012 #16
    DECIMATOR

    DECIMATOR New Member

    Messages:
    285
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2012
    Location:
    Sydney
    Members Ride:
    VE SV6
    LMFAO beer chug! What a funny bastard!!
     
    DECIMATOR, Mar 19, 2012
    #16
  17. Mar 19, 2012 #17
    Potta9

    Potta9 New Member

    Messages:
    321
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2011
    Location:
    Camden
    Members Ride:
    Ve r8 , B2600
    It can become very involved and your brain will begin to hurt if you want to get into all the nitty gritty of all the formulas. lol enjoy it anywayz
     
    Potta9, Mar 19, 2012
    #17
  18. Apr 3, 2013 #18
    nes138

    nes138 Member

    Messages:
    555
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2012
    Location:
    Gippsland Victoria
    Members Ride:
    FC HOLDEN with 5LT V8 (VT)
    nes138, Apr 3, 2013
    #18
  19. Apr 3, 2013 #19
    someguy360

    someguy360 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,298
    Likes Received:
    460
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2011
    Location:
    Adelaide Hills
    Members Ride:
    94' VR 304 - 05' Navara - 17' Focus - 12' Sorento
    The Buick V6 and 5L (VN-VS) had a MAP Sensor not a MAF sensor.

    All other holden engines since have had MAF's to meet emissions requirements (other than the HSV GTS as mentioned above...that was the only one that had approval)
     
    someguy360, Apr 3, 2013
    #19
  20. Apr 3, 2013 #20
    nes138

    nes138 Member

    Messages:
    555
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2012
    Location:
    Gippsland Victoria
    Members Ride:
    FC HOLDEN with 5LT V8 (VT)
    Is there any legal way to get it done?
    Sorry to be a Noob but whats an OTR?
     
    nes138, Apr 3, 2013
    #20
Page 1 of 2

Share This Page