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Losing our tradesmen

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by losh1971, Feb 21, 2020.

  1. Trevor loves holden.

    Trevor loves holden. Well-Known Member

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    Just pointing it out.
     

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  2. Trevor loves holden.

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    Baseball bat works well.
     
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    Law states, heavy vehicle drivers are NOT permitted touch their wheels......Too heavy. (Do some research) So what would you do in this instance? Transport companies are on a tight schedule to make their delivery to their customers....Are they surposed to tell their customers that they will be 10 hours late, because of a flat tyre?

    What would you do, when a road crew have permits to shut roads down for night work and they get a flat tyre? Tell them you'll have to fork out for new permits, because people like me aren't allowed to repair your tyres because of noise restrictions? Then the flow on effects of the public whinging the roads aren't fixed when they were surposed to...Are you going to handle those complaints?

    I have also had the pleasure on a few occasions, where I have had to fix a rear backhoe wheel for a council late at night. I surpose the council is going to fine me for fixing their wheel after hours and also delay night works they have permits to do?

    Also not sure about your neck of the woods, but there isn't a specific time for noise.....You can whinge at 10 in the morning about the noise being too much and the locals can tell you cease, otherwise face a bill.
     
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    It used to....Now these days, you're the mongrel explaining to the man behind the bench and hoping not to get slammed by him/her
     
  5. Trevor loves holden.

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    Easy on I'm only stating the law don't shoot the massager, and you never stated trucks and night works with a permit, I think you will find its more to do with the people living in the street not emergency workers.
     
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    Then why are outback truckers changing there own wheels?
     
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    Hummm, not just emergency workers......Any heavy vehicle....ie one that is involved in the likes of footpath work, where it is done at night, due to traffic flow during the day....You also have your local delivery truck, that services the local shop....

    So just think next time you troddle down to your local shop, what would I do, if the poor local delivery driver has to wait till 7 a.m. for his flat to be changed, and can't deliver your fresh bread/milk or paper, because it's surposed to be law, you can't make a noise after 8 p.m....


    Seriously, have a little thought....What copper or council is going to fine someone for doing their job? I suspect you haven't looked to deep into it, before posting...
     
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    Might be due to the remoteness....3 days sitting in the middle of no-where waiting for a tyre fitter.

    Now have a little search over regulations relating to heavy vehicle drivers changing their own wheels.....Also have a search about company vehicle drivers changing their own company car wheels. You might be surprised about the b/s regulations
     
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    Because that show has nothing to do with reality, if you watch it more than 5 minutes you will see it's totally staged, unbelievable and over dramatised.
     
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    As are all 'reality' shows.
    Only seen a few episodes. Did I miss the one where the truckie and his dog have a acrimonious argument and break-up, with the dog storming off into the bush.
     
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    let's face it mechanic is a bit of a dead end trade, it will be relegated to limited specialty so you'll only see the really good guys doing it in future not the swapsie brigade.

    We are at the dawn of the electric age, and like cobblers and the old coach builders of old mechanics of today will be relegated to history faster than a lot of us may think.
     
  12. Trevor loves holden.

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    LOL and you need to read better, I said it only involves residential residents, or people living in that street that this applies to , u know keep the peace, of coarse the world cant stop or trains wouldn't run out side those times, truck drivers wouldn't be able to drive at night, or road works cant be done at night. People are notified if roadworks are going to take place in there street at night, then you have water mains bursting in the night that needs heavy machinery, cops with sirens all night long, its only for those who dwell in that street to avoid threats and violence. Next time someone abusers you in the street at night tell them I have the right to do so look it up. Peace
     
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    Seriously Trevor.....Noise restrictions.....People complain to the police....Police come out to investigate the complaint and take appropriate action. If the person in the street takes matters into their own hands, they are the one dealing with the police.

    So in my instance, they will take the complaint, maybe come out and ask me why the noise and drive away, because they will use common sense, that the machinery needs to be fixed so they can continue on with their work.

    Oh and getting abused....Been a few and all I say is, I can't help it....I have a job to do, so take it up with the owners of the machinery...And yes I've had to call the police because some got a little threatening and they have hung around till the job was finished

    Nightworks....Yes residents are notified on the period of time those works are taking place....If I take your approach of wait till 7 am before I can do anything with your machinery, those works are then delayed 1 day per incident, therefore necessitating for another permit (yes permits are issued for night works that aren't emergencies), which then delays the finishing of the works for about a month...

    So would you be willing to field all the complaints from residents, because the works aren't completed as stated, because a twit like me can't fix a tyre because of a time curfew?
     
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    Its true. Even consider the amount of throw away and replace instead of repairing that occurs. (which was the original intention of the drill sharpening comment)
    They will still be out there, but they will be very limited and specialised.
    Over time it will taper off.

    I've just spent a week working with a Chinese fella and he said you don't really own cars there.
    You scan the code, the car unlocks and you get out afterwards.
    If it goes to electrical it'll be all plug in, and replace the components. Design it right and it'll be a few bolts a connector and that's it. replace the whole drive wheel and suspension instead of worrying about each piece individually.

    A bit like many trades (and other careers) though, they have developed and changed.
    A Blacksmith would now be a fabricator (sheet metal, heavy engineering, boilermaker etc)
    Instrument techs in the 70s and 80s were using pneumatic controls and linkages, now its electronics.
    Plumbers used to have to bend, thread, weld etc, now its quick crimp fittings.
    Even drafts people. used to be a fine art with a pencil, now its all computer generated.
    In the end its done to save time and costs associated with that.

    The old skills wont necessarily disappear, but they will be reduced and limited in practice, possibly to those willing to pay.
     
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    No doubt they will be but a foot note in history but with some 19m registered motor vehicles in Australia, they probably have a little time to go before they turn the lights out.
     
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    I see what you done there, :) Not worth sharpening bits under 3.5mm its cheaper to just replace it, I sharpen all mine with a bench grinder, buying bigger bits are not cheap.
     
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    When people use the term 'tradesman' they usually always think of the construction industry, followed my the automotive industry.

    There are other Trades.
    I'm an Electronics Technician by trade (4 year apprenticeship in the 1980's through Sth Brisbane TAFE)
    In 2000 the GovCo introduced new import rules/regulations of consumer electronics allowing cheap imports from developing countries, mostly China.
    It crippled my industry, it became easier and cheaper to buy a new electronic gadget than repair/service one (unless it was under warranty), businesses went broke, many lost jobs never to return to their trade.
    And NOBODY else in Australia knew about it, nobody gave a toss...our industry had zero government support, unlike the construction and property industry which is protected and subsidised to the eyeballs.
    I've had to continually update and learn new skills to keep up with a rapidly changing world.

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    Yes its a shame how we have become a throw away society, I had brought a nice 12" Australian made subwoofer cheap for my home theatre thought cant be to hard to get it going maybe a fuse or a capacitor blown, nope couldn't see any issue so I emailed the company and they gave me this contact number who fixes there stuff in Victoria, so anyway posted it to him and he fixed it for 50 bucks all the issue was a simple volume knob with the contact spring apparently a known issue, now she is a beauty, he was a German electronic engineer and they are coming hard to find as like you said cheaper to buy new from china than it is for parts and repair.
     
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    The last few years I spent on the service bench I was mostly a 'PCB jocky' and firmware updater for warranty repairs.
    With the occasional customer repair for high end audio gear, where I would actually locate faults down to component level repair, as apposed to replacing a complete PCB or module.

    The business was throwing away large quantities of circuit boards and equipment that was uneconomical to repair.
    It all went to land fill :(
    I didn't know what else to do with it at the time and the boss man didn't care.
    Lots of toxic chemicals as well as precious metals.

    So our government brings in e-waste recycling, but most of it just gets shipped offshore....
    Out of site, out of mind.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07...ern-nations-destroying-thai-villages/11274578

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/science...ts-to-developing-countries-unethical/10119000

    Burning e-waste from western developed nations, in Africa, to extract the copper...
    [​IMG]
     
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    Bit like our plastic waste now China doesn't want it, so its just sitting in big old factories no where to go.
     
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