LS1 Guide to Power Stage I

[BANKS]

does an 25% balancer make the steering a bit more heavier, the aircon work harder and reduce power output of the alternator?

I was thinking about that the other day, your reducing the output of those things by 25%, surely that has to have an impact on the performance of those systems?

 

[GMMAD]

does an 25% balancer make the steering a bit more heavier, the aircon work harder and reduce power output of the alternator?

I was thinking about that the other day, your reducing the output of those things by 25%, surely that has to have an impact on the performance of those systems?

I have never had a problem
and I didnt notice any difference to before I put it on

 

[SIG-054]

id say the balancer would only be a pain on idle, but saying that just get your tuner to bump up the idle rpm a couple of hundred.

 

[Zeussy]

Hey guys, just a quick question, dont know if its in the right section - I probly should've made my own thread in the LS1/LS2 section hey?? maybe.. or pub..?

Ok, here goes, just wanting to know if anyone has ever got 500rwkw out of a LS2, or similar..
forced induction, either single or twin turbo intercooled setup,
cam,
heads - port and polish, bigger valves??? rocker gear - springs,
and a 'massive' tune,
kind of a top end rebuild with stock, unopened bottom end, is it even possible to get these sort of figures with the stock bottom end, or to get there would it need to be a stroker, or different comp. ratio?

All opinions welcomed, but more so the technical side of things, not so much the ''you could spend money better elsewhere'' type comments, or ''learn how to spell''.. lol,

Is it a (ridiculously) costly goal or is it totally achievable with some knowledge? And has anyone seen or heard of a shop that specialises in the developement of these motors??
or if its in the wrong section, let me know and ill post it up elsewhere.. or maybe if a Mod can move it.. either way..

Cheers guys, look forward to what you all rekon..


EDIT: I have recently come accross Sonny at Marrano's, in sydney, they look like a decent crew, ive emailed them, just waiting for a reply, probly wont here from them till monday, and i'll give him a ring see what he rekons..

 

[BANKS]

How deep in your pockets? you can get 2000rwkw if you've got ones that drag along the ground

 

[johnvtls1]

500rwkws isnt totally rediculious. its gonna cost you a **** load but. ull need to stroke the ls2 and chuck on a twin turbo. even then u might not get there.

 

[Zeussy]

Haha, so its a bit too crazy for the average joe?!!

I was looking on google last night, and saw one guy had spent $170,000 building his car, pretty sure it was 500rwkw, and I was just like pffft, maybe 300, or 350rwkw.. haha



Does anyone know a 'realistic' figure, to get from a twin turbo set up on one??

Im pretty sure theres one on the Marrano's website and it was only getting 340 - something rwkw, with a conservative tune.. I always thought that you could get easy 300rwkw out of a N/A LS2, like the GTS's??? so was hoping for a bit more of an increase with F/I.. unless that tune is really conservative.. lol..

 

[Stressball]

Does anyone know a 'realistic' figure, to get from a twin turbo set up on one??

On an unopened LS2 with aftermarket exhaust and headers, LS1Turbo.com.au claims that from their GenTT kit you'll get ~390rwKw right up to around 420kW if you wind the boost up a bit, from their GenTT ball-bearing kit they claim up to 500Kw.

To push the boost up that high though I'd imagine you'd need valve springs at least to handle it, I'm not sure about the structural integrity of the LS2 though so there may be more necessary. I'd imagine if you had the GenTT BB kit installed on a properly cammed, strengthened and tuned engine, low-comp pistons maybe, a suitable exhaust etc and you wound the boost as high as you could reliably go, you'd easily break 500rwKw and push it up toward 600 or even past there. Of course, this is assuming their original claims are accurate

All this would set you back tens of thousands of dollars minimum though, so a bit pricey. Say ~$2000 for a properly matched exhaust, $10,000+ for GenTT BB kit, however many thousands for cam and all the internals, plus a tune, then add onto that a transmission that can handle it... I suppose when you add it all up though, people spend a lot more to make the same power on other cars. Depends where you want your money to go

 

[Zeussy]

Hey Stressball,
Been meaning to reply to this a bit earlier..

Cheers for that, it's good to know that it's not totally out of reach - if like you say, their figures are realistic. The GenTT kit is looking pretty nice right about now, haha. Is the Gen TT BB kit just for the turbo kit, (or complete motor) haha, my guess just the kit.. A touch out of my price range I think!!

With the little bit more research and advice I now have from you guys on here, and a top shelf sponser we are lucky enough to have, I'm pretty sure it would be a wise investment to go with the forged pistons/rods, with a complete bottom end rebuild, just to make sure it will hold up to the extra boost - like I could probly get away with it, but who knows one day when I'm fully up it, something could let go, with this sort of money involved its best to make it right, from the start.

At this point in time, with my current financial responsibilities, I'm looking at around 15 big ones for the motor, may need a tad more, a few more for gearbox/clutch and other assorted bits i'll need. With plans of it going into a VH commy I have - got the rolling shell with a nine inch diff, V8 brakes - although will most likely looking into some bigger brakes if this route goes ahead..
Although would probly get it all sorted before I go looking for a crossmember for it, just incase I decide to throw it in a HQ, which I think could also be a nice project, my sister has a 1 tonner just sitting there waiting for her to get some cash together.. but I might confiscate it!!
Or the last option - a big conversion on the daily V6 VY, but this project is the most unlikley at the moment, I have a real soft spot for the older holdens.

 

[pbl196]

LS1 Exhaust

Has anyone had an exhaust system done by Liverpool exhausts?