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but they suffer lifter failures, injector failures, ( in the USA overheating due to DexCool issues),… and I believe to a less extent, oil and water pump failures… Ok not every engine suffers such issues but they aren’t extremely rare events…
So I’d not say they are incredibly durable, rather, I’d say they are incredibly cheap and easy to fix (and mod) which would be more accurate… especially in the USA where they are ubiquitous and really cheap at any wreckers… with parts shops carrying all manner of mods… sadly the same isn’t true down under
But even if they are incredibly durable, as you say that doesn’t diminish the dissatisfaction many have for piston slap. Durability claims doesn’t diminish ACL claims against being sold a product that wasn’t as demonstrated (which also means dealers can’t warm up cars prior to test drive as that’s deceptive conduct)…
So apparently it is normal for some LS3's to do this 'normal' noisy characteristic and that others don't? You wrote 'GM regarding piston slap, but said i couldn't take it with me.' (The likely standard document was DL 65/16 (attached as posted by another member) - GM Australia have made the claim/and not denied that DL 64/16 exists? - I have seen no evidence to believe it does!)Well what do ya know.... Absolutely nothing wrong with my car at all! Completely normal noise for these engines, even though only some do it and some don't! I said it was rubbish and that the noise was embarrassing and has devalued my car, but who cares right?
They showed me a photo copied piece of paper from GM regarding piston slap, but said i couldn't take it with me. It said piston slap was normal and in bold lettering said "Do not replace engine." It was only half a page and looked like the bottom half had been covered over when photocopied.
There was no point arguing and i didn't want to burn my bridges with the ONLY Dealer that has ever looked after me, but i wasn't happy and said that it wasn't a normal noise. I said i wanted it in writing that it was "normal" and that it won't be detrimental to my engine, which i got.
Glad I didn't get angry as they didn't charge me anything for the loan car nor did they charge me the $154 for the diagnosis.
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Didn’t know only those with build threads could own an LS or have opinions of Holdens, it’s dealers and other business shitfuckeryYou know for a guy without a build thread, a what you did to your car post and doesn't even appear to own an LS, you sure have a lot of opinions. Opinions based on the internet will mostly show you the exception not the rule, horror stories for all occasions. There are literally millions of LS in something like 40 flavours through a plethora of GM vehicles. All engines have issues and ancillary problems like a bad batch of injectors doesn't detract from an engines durability. LS have been known for slap and noisy valvetrains since the late 90's
Anyone who's worth their salt in the game will tell you that for the last 20 years the LS family has been the one of the most durable and reliable engines built because of their old school simplicity
I know slap doesnt hurt, but tell that to a potential buyer looking to spend $90k while its knocking its brain out. ridiculous. 65,000 kms and its rooted.
Didn’t know only those with build threads could own an LS or have opinions of Holdens, it’s dealers and other business shitfuckery
I’m more than aware that forums can seem to overstate the number of problems a specific vehicle type may have. But the millions of durable vehicles, well that’s no comfort when I’ve experience a few issues with my motorsport edition that has left me feeling there is little to no support from Holden. The statement HCC have made to me have proven to be bullshit as they don’t stand by their statements they‘ve made previously. I’ve sorted out most issues but it’s been a battle.
Seems the American approach to fixing problems is to have a class action as the only way forward. And in the USA there have been many many class actions… Really a vehicle manufacturer isn’t just a clattering durable engine, there is so much more and GM/Holden fall short..
I expected much more from my Holden dealers and HCC and have found them to be liars who don’t stand by their statements. Not to mention the few problems that should have been resolved easily took ages… So when my injectors fail, when my engine starts to hammer, what can I expect, nothing but a $15k+ bill to fix what shouldn’t sound broken. So occasionally I end up toying with the idea of selling the beast. But then I go for a drive and I’m in love again until something else is annoying… love hate love…
Holdens handling of the EPS issues, injector issue and piston slap issue hasn’t been great. And now it’s even worse. People have had their motors replaced but now it normal. It’s inconsistent and unfair to those that are not happy, regardless some think these engines are durable… That’s not the issue… IBlown says it well
Looks like your piston let go on your cold strokerMake your mind up. Durability, reality and the sh!tfookery of stealerships are not synonymous. You said they're not durable, I said you couldn't be more wrong about that statement and that alone. I won't offer opinions on things I don't have fact and experience with, you seem to have no issues doing exactly that and smearing up two very different topics
Iblown is right for the average buyer but an LS aficionado wouldn't be bothered if the motor is noisy AF cold and warms to a gentle sewing machine. Rooted LS don't do that, quite the opposite
You should hear my stroker cold
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Holden claim durability but they don’t define it.So I gnoring the noise for the moment, the question then becomes what is the expected durability of an LS1 (in kms) given recommended servicing? When would an engine rebuild be expected; at 100,000kms, 1/4 million kms or 1/2 million kms or more… how durable is this lump of an engine? And what is Holden’s definition of durable… bet it not the same as what we “normals“ would consider it to mean…
Mate ours is the same, one slapping on the right bank and two on the left. I could understand it a little better if they were all slapping. Have these problem cylinders not had enough lubrication, or are there differences in bore and piston sizes?This is what slap looked like in a 240k LS1. There were three cylinders like this. Noisy AF cold since the day I got it. Could barely feel it with a nail, I put 14 pounds through it for the next 60k and it's hit 320k in the car it was transplanted to. Not a durable motor at all. Ultimately you'll never know unless you strip it
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