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Discussion in 'Mace Engineering' started by Tsunamix, May 25, 2009.

  1. mr_kreative

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    i got a vs supercharge cai.. whats the difference? is it huge? give me advise please? should i change it
     
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    Read the whole of this thread and your answer may magically appear !
     
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    first post here so sorry if i bugger it up lol.

    anyway, ive installed a mace cai for my vr v6 almost a week ago now, and i have 2 say it has really made a difference.

    it accelerates easier and faster, feels better, sounds way better from about 2,500 rpm onwards (redback cat back exhaust but in standard size i think), but for a basically standard car, it sounds really good now

    the intake noise is certainly bearable, unnoticeable if u have the windows up, or the radio on, or r doing more than around 1,500 rpm,
    but it sounds not so good in reverse or when u turn it off lol, really loud intake noise.

    i think it is a bit expensive for what it is, but its pretty competitively priced in the market from what i have seen.

    i kno u have the instructions on your site, but i felt u could have included a printed version, especially one with pics from the exact car its made for, and maybe added a fitment video on your site.

    im going to seal the box a bit better also. it fits ok, but not perfectly, as the holes didn't line up until i started putting it all 2gether,
    and the filter is pushing right up against the washer refill.

    it is also marking the top radiator hose of whatever it is there, but it may be possible to shorten this hose which would fix this problem.

    the lid of the washer bottle is really hard to open and close now, and i felt the holes for the screws on the top cover could have been further inwards
    (just to make it look a bit neater, so its flush with the sides/rear), and the hole for the washer fluid could have been a bit more accurate.

    the cover doesn't seem to fit under the front, or be flush with it which would make it look a bit better again, but as it is, it is a nice looking piece, much better than factory.

    i think if u offered a choice of pod filter, whether u want printed instructions, or the option 2 buy 1 without for less it would increase sales

    sorry for pointing out all those little faults, but it thought it might be good feedback.

    all in all, i definitely would buy one again. they look good, work very well and and a good bang for buck modification.
    the overall quality of parts and workmanship is really good, and they r a really good product, but could be even better with a few changes and some refinement.

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    ^^^^ I have one of these on my VR v6 and must say that it fits perfectly .... surely you do not need a video to show how to install this ... sounds like you have made a simple job difficult for yourself .... Anyway, it does work well doesnt it!
     
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    yeah, after a bit of fiddling it fits pretty well, but as the pics show it doesn't line up 100% perfectly, but im a bit of a perfectionist bout my car lol. the video was also to act as further info, advertising and is probably easier to make than pdf instructions anyway lol, but no ur right, its not needed specifically for this product just to intsall it, but for some of the other mace stuff it would b good, and yeah it does work well lol. my first real performance mod lol, feels good man
     
  7. MACE

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    Hey F l a k,

    Thanks for taking the time out to write up constructive feedback about the product :) I’m glad to hear that you’re happy overall with the product.

    In regards to your feedback…

    “i think it is a bit expensive for what it is, but its pretty competitively priced in the market from what i have seen.”

    In regards to pricing its all relative I guess, as it depends on what you value. As there‘re cheaper CAI setups however they definitely don’t work as well (VS supercharged 6 CAI with a K&N filter come to mind). There’re even more expensive ones which still don’t work as well, are not a bolt on item (requires additional screws in the body work), are of a questionable quality, not to mention the “hidden charges” associated with their incomplete kits. At the end of the day though it all comes down to what people value etc. there is not such thing a single “best” solution for everyone

    “i kno u have the instructions on your site, but i felt u could have included a printed version, especially one with pics from the exact car its made for, and maybe added a fitment video on your site.”

    Fair point. Some of the instructions a very detailed and are over 30 pages, however this is certainly an opportunity for improvement on our end. They also lack detail for the later model cars with the washer bottle where it is, given the easy of fitment though it hasn’t been a high priority to update this, however your constructive feedback will prompt us to reevaluate this. Video of fitment of our products will certainly be the next step forward for future products. I’m saying this though we’re always a phone call or email away if people get stuck with product installation :)

    In regards to product fitment, as pointed out, the lid does finally line everything up which is how it was designed to take into account the slight manufacturing variances that occurs with folded parts, automotive body work etc. As for the filter butting up against the filler tube, to simplify the overall installation process this is one area that we had to compromise on not that it’s a huge problem.

    Assuming that the car has never been involved in accident before, it could probably do with some more tweaking on the mounting points as there are clearance holes in the box for adjustment (to take into account box and car dimensional variance). Or the bracket that supports the long black plastic tube can be bent downwards slightly. As for the rad hose it can be trimmed or if can just sit on top of the of the box

    At the end of the day it should mount up something like this.
    COLD AIR INTAKE TO SUIT HOLDEN VR-VS V6 - MACE ENGINEERING GROUP

    If you still have any difficulties please feel free to contact us

    Cheers
    Steve
     
  8. GMH95

    GMH95 Sorry I dont do Resprays

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    i installed mine with no problems. only the pod filter was against the washer bottle but i just cut back some of the rubber off the filter and it fits perfect. best intake you can buy.
     
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    ^^^ that's another solution I guess :)
     
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    Thanks Steve, its great 2 see a company so involved with its customers and the scene.

    As for my post, i kinda just typed everything i thought of while researching, installing and using the cai.

    I figured most people kno how good the product is, so u probably do too, so thats why i focused on areas that could be improved.
    i dont feel anything at all has to be changed, but i thought that my feedback might be useful if u intend to further improve the product at some stage.

    I did bend the bracket supporting the pipe from the cai to the throttle body as per the directions when i first installed it.

    Also, my post was really an initial impression, as id had it for 3 or 4 days at that stage.

    I forgot 2 say in the first post (really sorry lol), that the rubber/screw things that held the factory airbox to the body were kidna perished,
    1 was really bad, and in the end my mates and i decided we had 2 just cut the rubber off (what was left anyway) so that the box sits flat and at the correct height, only without the screw.
    This could be part of why it isn't 100% perfectly fitted (not that i expect it to be), so its kind of my fault there lol, but the holes did line up exactly.

    At a later stage i'll just put a spot of weld there and a nut or something, so i can just turn it out easily (i hope).

    The car has never been in a accident btw.

    Also, im not pretending 2 be a mechanic or anything, i have a decent theoretical knowledge, but pretty much no practical experience working on cars, so thats a pretty good ad for it lol, if i can fit it without 2 many problems, most people should b able 2 as well

    As for performance, it is really good (tho i cant really compare it to other products), but im noticing more benefits the more i drive it.

    I really recommended it, and if i was 2 go back in time, i wouldn't hesitate 2 buy it again, actually i would buy it sooner

    I have 3 questions tho:
    1 - to trim the radiator hose, do i just work out how much 2 take off, clamp it and cut it (or im i going 2 get coolant everywhere lol)?
    2 - do i have 2 be more carefull at the car wash (as in will water get in there and damage it if im using the high pressure hose on the front of the car)
    3 - am i supposed to have a slightly higher temperature on the gauge (around 1 notch)?
     
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    “Thanks Steve, its great 2 see a company so involved with its customers and the scene.”
    Ah it’s all part of the fun I guess :)

    “I figured most people kno how good the product is, so u probably do too, so thats why i focused on areas that could be improved.
    i dont feel anything at all has to be changed, but i thought that my feedback might be useful if u intend to further improve the product at some stage.”

    Constructive feedback, good or bad, is always welcomed, for the reasons you pointed out plus to be able to further assist customers with similar products

    “I forgot 2 say in the first post (really sorry lol), that the rubber/screw things that held the factory airbox to the body were kidna perished,
    1 was really bad, and in the end my mates and i decided we had 2 just cut the rubber off (what was left anyway) so that the box sits flat and at the correct height, only without the screw.
    This could be part of why it isn't 100% perfectly fitted (not that i expect it to be), so its kind of my fault there lol, but the holes did line up exactly.”

    Ah I see. Angularity of the box is very important for fitment quailty, it’s for the reason the box is rigidly mount (removal of the rubber bushes) as fitment quality across vehicles were inconsistent :( more so with the VR-VS given the tight space. As a result I could be contributing to what you’ve experienced.

    “At a later stage i'll just put a spot of weld there and a nut or something, so i can just turn it out easily (i hope).”
    If you use a vise grip from under the car on the protruding screw from the body work you’ll be able to extract it. In saying this though it would be a good idea to first use WD40 to loosen the screw/stud regardless.

    “The car has never been in a accident btw.”
    I wish I could say the same about my VS though :(

    “Also, im not pretending 2 be a mechanic or anything, i have a decent theoretical knowledge, but pretty much no practical experience working on cars, so that’s a pretty good ad for it lol, if i can fit it without 2 many problems, most people should b able 2 as well”
    I’m glad to hear :) I say this because with a lot of the products we’ve developed the design intent is such that any one with limited hands on experience can comfortably install our products.

    “As for performance, it is really good (tho i cant really compare it to other products), but im noticing more benefits the more i drive it.

    I really recommended it, and if i was 2 go back in time, i wouldn't hesitate 2 buy it again, actually i would buy it sooner”

    Glad to hear :)

    “I have 3 questions tho:
    1 - to trim the radiator hose, do i just work out how much 2 take off, clamp it and cut it (or im i going 2 get coolant everywhere lol)?”

    If the car is stone cold you should have minimal coolant leakage. When cutting the hose err on the longer side, as it’s easier to shorten the hose then it is to make it longer even if it takes a couple of goes

    “2 - do i have 2 be more carefull at the car wash (as in will water get in there and damage it if im using the high pressure hose on the front of the car)”
    No not really. This is because I’ve left the bonnet open on my car in the rain once as I wanted to clean my engine bay (joke I just forgot to close it lol) and water had pooled up everywhere including the airbox, which wasn’t a problem. Not only then we’ve also used the air box as part of a humidification chamber for water injection without any problems. At the end of the day as long as you’re not directing the high pressure water gun at the filter directly then if will be fine.

    “3 - am i supposed to have a slightly higher temperature on the gauge (around 1 notch)?”
    It shouldn’t change. I’m not sure how that would be possible to be honest, if nothing else has changed(? )

    Cheers
    Steve
     
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    Thanks again for the response (sorry for all the questions)
    I'll have a go with some vice grips under the car (as soon as i buy some haha) to get that screw
    and as for the temperature, i thought as cold air is more dense that hot air it may have produced a stronger explosion meaning more temperature,
    then again maybe (as friends have noticed) i just enjoy driving the car 2 much, and go a bit harder than i used 2 because it feels and sounds so much better lol
    Thanks again Steve, i really appreciate it
     
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    good write up flak, ya pointed out some good ideas!.. the thing i liked about mace's instructions is that he explained 'everything'. Which bolt to undo and in which order pretty much, i thought they were good photos of everything, (most tutorials never even have that!) .. i dunno about the whole video idea, maybe if its something pretty complex like a cam change or fitting up a turbo, then this could come in handy, a step by step on paper probably isn't really needed if its already on their website, (paper costs and ink come into mind)..
    But yeah i had a problem with numbers when i changed my rockers to the mace ones, i just have steve a ring and he helped me out right on the spot.. I thought it was awesome lol

    Only thing i can really think that could improve with the VY intakes is maybe by making the hole where the air tube sits inside the air box a tad smaller, as when i go over pretty extreme bumps i can hear the filter smacking around, so maybe some kind of bracket to hold the duct tube to the airbox?.. and another thing i can think of but i dunno how it could really be avoided, is that with this CAI installed the MAF sensor now rests onto the Air conditioner hose, and im noticing that the MAF sensor is slowly cutting away at the hose with it moving around, not sure how it could be fixed though lol, ive hust got a piece of cardboard wedged in between and its working so far lol..
     
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    thanks a1k3m1. yeah i was just throwing around some ideas.
    while i had a similar concern about the filter moving around in the box, i haven't noticed any banging or signs of excessive movement yet, and some of the roads at my uni are really, really horrible lol, but i have a standard height suspension set up (new pedders gas shocks, but standard specs)

    the only problem i can see with making the hole smaller, is that it gives a little less flexibility in allowing for the best fitment to your car (im assuming there will be slight differences), and it may be slightly harder 2 install, especially as the filter seems to sit up against the washer bottle in at least the vr, but im not sure about the vy
     
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    Been tosing up a CAI, I have VCM Suite so I understand IAT Temps/Maf G's and how it all works etc........

    SS Inductions, VCM Suite or Mace CAI? Big Descision.

    MACE: Con's.......... Pod is too small, you should work on replacing the VZ Stock TB to MAF Pipe for us all *please* find a way to do that...... Then it'll be worth buying.
    Bigger Filter, Bigger Box, Bigger TB to MAF Pipe....... = WIN. Your pod is in my opinion probably slightly too small for these alloytech's

    SS Inductions Price. Pod possibly wouldn't get enough air in design compared to Mace's. Does look awesome, comes with replacement panel, makes u feel like you paid good money to get something decent. Good Reviews.

    VCM Suite CAI Bit simple,but has a big pod filter..... bigger usually leans towards more torque
     
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    Our take on the respective VZ V6 alloytec CAI’s on the market.

    MACE
    “Pod is too small”
    The pod filter we use in the VZ alloytec is the same as the ones we supply on our 5L 5.7L and Supercharged 6 kits, which has worked quite well on engines (as noted by the feedback alone in this thread) which are of an even larger capacity then the alloytec.

    “you should work on replacing the VZ Stock TB to MAF Pipe for us all *please* find a way to do that”
    No real need as the factory “exec” spec induction pipe works quite well as it’s made out of plastic and is smooth flowing (unlike the more up market models which have a resonance pipe built in). At around $50 a pop from Holden it would be hard for us to justify making something up like that from scratch.

    Also with our airbox kit the price is around half the price of that of any other competitors on the market, with performance as goof if not better then anything else mentioned.


    SS Inductions
    “Price”
    That is subjective I guess as some people enhance their vehicles for not only performance but also aesthetics and in some cases value aesthetics over performance. Not that ours look bad though :p

    “Pod possibly wouldn't get enough air in design compared to Mace's”
    I would be inclined to agree

    “Comes with replacement panel, makes u feel like you paid good money to get something decent. Good Reviews”
    Ours also come with a replacement/rewashable pod filter. One thing to be wary of vacuum formed plastics/cai (like the ssinductions products) is that as some sections of the plastic part can be very thin. Of which they’re prone to cracking as I’m sure some members who have similar such products can attest to.

    This differs from ours as ours are made using a different manufacturing process and of a better quality material. It’s for this reason where able to offer a life time warranty on our air boxes. Not only this ours is a genuine bolt on item with no need for self tapping screws into the body work etc. so it’s completely reversible mod


    VCM Suite
    I haven’t seen the alloytec VCM suite one in person so I can’t comment.
     
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    Cheers for the constructive feedback a1k3m1 :)

    In regards to your concerns about the air box the hole is a little larger then the supplied pipe work as we’ll be offering upgraded pipe work in the not to distant future. As for the MAF rubbing on the aircon line the, MAF needs to be rotated by 90 degrees so it doesn’t rub. Hope this helps

    Cheers
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    I would be more inclined to believe it's the latter :p

    Cheers
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    Ahh okay awesome, now i understand heh, yeh i was thinking about rotating the MAF around, but i wasn't sure if it had to be on a certain way, but anyways ill do that .. thanks!!!
     
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    Sorry to ask the same question again as others may have, but
    What is the economy increase with the VT CAI system? are there any numbers of more economy?
    Also are there discounts for JC members by any chance?? :)
    I'm looking to get more economy more than anything, as a poor uni student i love my car but petrol these days to say the least costs some stupid amount to fill a 75 liter tank :(

    Jason
     

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