Boof777
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- '07 VE Calais V Sedan L98/6L80E
Hi all, little bit of background info to start;
So I recently bought a used 2007 VE Calais V in Evoke with black leather along with the L98/6L80E/2.92 Non-LSD driveline combination. Love the car and is in great condition with 118,oookm [now 13o,oookm]. Was 1 private owner from new with full Holden service history and no modifications.
Sorted out a few things like the harmonic balancer which I replaced with a Powerbond item from MACE [great company to deal with and no one came close to their price], new spark plugs, drive belts [PK1090 for the Aircon as I need to get the upgraded bracket], transmission fluid checked and coolant flushed and replaced. Still have a few things left to do but it’s getting there.
Now, what I wasn’t impressed with was the factory 15,oookm engine oil change intervals. Even with a 8+ liter fluid capacity. Not to mention the Holden dealerships used Castrol Magnatec in a 5W-30 for this vehicle and that oil, IMHO, should not be left in that long being a semi synthetic [at best] and the fact the car is from, and will continue to be, in Queensland. Also the fact it’s so thin at operating temp, the HTHS must be pretty low. I immediately changed the oil to Magnatec 10W-40 for the interim.
I am planning to keep the vehicle for a long time so I went looking here and other forums for a good oil that I can run which would meet the following criteria;
- reasonably priced
- easily attainable at major retailers
- will go 8-1o,oookm before replacement is needed [group4/5 synthetic most likely]
- will give me good protection [high HTHS]
Seems a lot of people like the Castrol Edge Sport 10W-60 [obsolete] and the newer FST labelled oil seems to be just as good and with the API SN certification. From what I could find, it’s also a group4/5 full synthetic base stock as opposed to a lot of other ‘Full Synthetics’ getting around with majority group 3 base stock and 20-30% group 4/5 added.
They were also a fair few people who advised against using it. Nosy valvetrains, too thick [maybe the most common statement], not manufacturer spec, your engine will implode and create a black hole which will result in the end of existence etc, etc, etc…
So I decided to test some differences with the Magnatec 10W-40 and Edge FST 10W-60. Some of my test parameters/conditions;
- Both oils have covered approx. 75okm
- Filters changed and oil flushed with each oil change
- Ambient temp was within 5deg C
- Same driving conditions
Basically, I have tried to keep things uniform so that I can get some accurate figures for those interested in how the oils perform inside your engine without a bias.
***The internal condition of my engine may or may not be different to others. All I can say is that it's a stock engine and has never been opened as far as I'm aware.***
As you can see from the attachments, there isn’t a great deal of difference with the 10W-60 compared to the 10W-40 oil. Oil pressure is obviously up, but it’s not as much as you’d think. Gives me an extra 5psi @ 4oooRPM along with 5-6psi @ hot idle, not to mention the extra protection with a HTHS of 5.1 and being a full synthetic, I should get my 8-1o,oookm service interval [with my 50.50 highway/urban driving].
Anyway, have a look at the attachments for the figures I obtained. If you want good protection for your engine, the Castrol Edge FST 10W-60 gets my vote. IMHO, thin oils such as 0W-20, 5W-30 are a compromise, they don’t offer the same level of protection as a 40, 50 or 60 multi grade engine oil. A lot of high end Euro manufacturer’s used to recommend the 10W-60 oil for their performance models too…
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Conditions from LEFT to RIGHT of image as follows;
- Cold [Ambient] Start-up Idle
- 2oooRPM
- 3oooRPM
- 4oooRPM
- Hot Idle
Magnatec 10W-40
Edge FST 10W-60
So I recently bought a used 2007 VE Calais V in Evoke with black leather along with the L98/6L80E/2.92 Non-LSD driveline combination. Love the car and is in great condition with 118,oookm [now 13o,oookm]. Was 1 private owner from new with full Holden service history and no modifications.
Sorted out a few things like the harmonic balancer which I replaced with a Powerbond item from MACE [great company to deal with and no one came close to their price], new spark plugs, drive belts [PK1090 for the Aircon as I need to get the upgraded bracket], transmission fluid checked and coolant flushed and replaced. Still have a few things left to do but it’s getting there.
Now, what I wasn’t impressed with was the factory 15,oookm engine oil change intervals. Even with a 8+ liter fluid capacity. Not to mention the Holden dealerships used Castrol Magnatec in a 5W-30 for this vehicle and that oil, IMHO, should not be left in that long being a semi synthetic [at best] and the fact the car is from, and will continue to be, in Queensland. Also the fact it’s so thin at operating temp, the HTHS must be pretty low. I immediately changed the oil to Magnatec 10W-40 for the interim.
I am planning to keep the vehicle for a long time so I went looking here and other forums for a good oil that I can run which would meet the following criteria;
- reasonably priced
- easily attainable at major retailers
- will go 8-1o,oookm before replacement is needed [group4/5 synthetic most likely]
- will give me good protection [high HTHS]
Seems a lot of people like the Castrol Edge Sport 10W-60 [obsolete] and the newer FST labelled oil seems to be just as good and with the API SN certification. From what I could find, it’s also a group4/5 full synthetic base stock as opposed to a lot of other ‘Full Synthetics’ getting around with majority group 3 base stock and 20-30% group 4/5 added.
They were also a fair few people who advised against using it. Nosy valvetrains, too thick [maybe the most common statement], not manufacturer spec, your engine will implode and create a black hole which will result in the end of existence etc, etc, etc…
So I decided to test some differences with the Magnatec 10W-40 and Edge FST 10W-60. Some of my test parameters/conditions;
- Both oils have covered approx. 75okm
- Filters changed and oil flushed with each oil change
- Ambient temp was within 5deg C
- Same driving conditions
Basically, I have tried to keep things uniform so that I can get some accurate figures for those interested in how the oils perform inside your engine without a bias.
***The internal condition of my engine may or may not be different to others. All I can say is that it's a stock engine and has never been opened as far as I'm aware.***
As you can see from the attachments, there isn’t a great deal of difference with the 10W-60 compared to the 10W-40 oil. Oil pressure is obviously up, but it’s not as much as you’d think. Gives me an extra 5psi @ 4oooRPM along with 5-6psi @ hot idle, not to mention the extra protection with a HTHS of 5.1 and being a full synthetic, I should get my 8-1o,oookm service interval [with my 50.50 highway/urban driving].
Anyway, have a look at the attachments for the figures I obtained. If you want good protection for your engine, the Castrol Edge FST 10W-60 gets my vote. IMHO, thin oils such as 0W-20, 5W-30 are a compromise, they don’t offer the same level of protection as a 40, 50 or 60 multi grade engine oil. A lot of high end Euro manufacturer’s used to recommend the 10W-60 oil for their performance models too…
Conditions from LEFT to RIGHT of image as follows;
- Cold [Ambient] Start-up Idle
- 2oooRPM
- 3oooRPM
- 4oooRPM
- Hot Idle
Magnatec 10W-40
Edge FST 10W-60