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Discussion in 'The Pub' started by Gaiter, Feb 13, 2017.

  1. zero_tolerance

    zero_tolerance Donating Member

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    I'm a firm believer that we need to look towards Singapore as an example and introduce corproral punishment.
    Our softly softly approach to law and order is a joke. Offenders have no regard and respect for the law and know that they can do whatever they like and get away with it. This is why the situation is out of control.
    Let me see how keen they will be to reoffend after they have received a brutal lashing.
    Unfortunately, it will never happen as long as we have these leftist do-gooders in control of our country, but the way things are going, something drastic will have to be done because the current approach is failing miserably.
     
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    just a refreshing reminder..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...age-captures-brutal-Melbourne-carjacking.html


    I remember watching a video a mate sent me a few years ago, might of been in Brazil or some 3rd world country.

    it was a security cam video of these 5 or so guys pulling up on a corner where there 4 other guys sitting around. armed with machetes. they just started swinging at these guys. i remember seeing one part a guy was begging them to stop/protecting him self by putting his hand up, dont think he realised his arm was hanging on by a few strands... wish i didnt watch that video
     
  3. Gaiter

    Gaiter Active Member

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    Jesus. That's ridiculous. Scum like this need to be locked up.
     
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    rambunctious Well-Known Member

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    Jails are full, just shoot the pricks.
     
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    The government created the problem and they have to be held accountable for there actions, why should the public have to fear trash like such running amok.
    Its the power of political correctness that leads to degenerate governments that only encourages degenerates.
     
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    Sending criminals to somewhere else, doesn't fix the problem.
    Out of sight > out of mind? Let some other person deal with them?

    No. How about - giving people something productive to do. To earn money. To earn self respect.

    Just an idea.
     
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  7. Zeke Topanaga

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    Many of the problems are caused by the socialist governments, they create a position that morons are given a free ride and then they claim they are entailed to all such special treatment being given everything, never working for anything and claiming being hard done by 24/7, but in fact they are the ones who disrespect all who help them.
    The bastard degenerate generation it's called and it's a lost cause that will never be fixed because they are worthless degenerates that the only thing they can help, is themselves to what others have worked for, left to there own devises they could not cut the mustard to feed themselves but expect all others to respect all their whims to the letter, have as many kids they want with no regard at all for who is paying for it all and come the high and mighty against anyone like myself who points out that such take having another kid is a great responsibility financially just for a start.
    It's the empowerment of such degenerate people nowadays that will destroy everything that our forefathers built our Nation on, just to be pissed up against the wall by degenerates who can't see past the next day, nor could they give a toss, the spoilt brats !

    Boot camp is the best option for little brats.
    Send them to some 3rd word nation, because they are on the path to only turn ours into one, because we have to many of them bleeding us dry, not to mention that some just will never have self respect regardless.

    If workers don't pay tax in time we are treated very harshly and the ATO don't give a toss about such in hardship, but will roll out the red carpet for all degenerates, even if you are not a bloody citizen and that's f ing treating the working people like slaves, only too support all the idiot ideas that only a degenerate would support.

    Some bad criminals just have to go, there has to be the threat to wake people up, send them to a Islamic nation and see how smart the criminal thinks of himself then, the hand gets chopped off for bugger all over their, not to mention the rest.
     
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    Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result - Anon

    By trade I am a high school teacher at a small independent school.

    There are many parallels between crime and student discipline.

    Some teachers try the big stick approach - they get loud, shouty and treat the students like crap. They take misbehaviour personally. They 'crack down' on student behaviour - but guess what? They never succeed. As a teacher, if you get stressed out, it either is a reward for students seeking to cause disruption, or the stress and anger stirs students up more.

    OTOH there are teachers who are calm, relaxed, don't take slurs or whatever personally and try to build rapport and working relationships with students. Their behaviour management is much better.

    My point is that people who are criminals, arseholes or whatever are like that for a reason. They have learned bad attitudes and behaviours from negative role models in their lives. A golden rule in dealing with a difficult student is 'be nice to arseholes, as often they need the most love'.

    Taking a young kid from a rough background, putting them in a degenerative environment like prison might be emotionally satisfying to a victim or the public in general and will sometimes set the offender straight. But in many cases it is at best unhelpful, at worst you've created a more hostile individual with even lower self esteem, possibly having learnt some things about how to be a more effective criminal. Case in point - the war on drugs. Hasn't worked. Period.

    I'm not saying we should do away with prison but high rates of reoffending suggests something different might work. I am not absolving any crim of their personal responsibility - but sometimes things need to be a two way street.
     
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    C3PO - irrespective of background, upbringing, exposure to drugs / alcohol etc, wrong is wrong.

    Those people sitting in cells know they have done something wrong as society has told them so by finding them guilty and incarcerating them. They chose to commit their crime and, in the case of recidivists, chose to continue to commit crimes.

    There may be reasons why they do this but there is no excuse.
     
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    Yes absolutely. But after you have incarcerated someone 2-3 times and they are still reoffending, I would argue a different approach is required.
     
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    Yep agree.....keep them locked up. They clearly haven't learnt their lesson and are unlikely to do so.
     
  12. Zeke Topanaga

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    Sure, but from all the people I knew from my school days back in the 60' 70's even some wimps became real bad stupid people as well as kids coming from wealthy family and some of the bad people became real good people.
    Maybe it's just comes down to idiots mainly, so you can have an educated idiot or wealthy idiot etc but at the end of the day they are idiots regardless.
    I don't think that the schooling systems we have can make a good person, but maybe something like Judo, Ju Jitsu can as it's a reality discipline that one can not hide from, like one can in the school system, because it's hands on reality where the child can't cheat such system of reality where you learn true respect and true control and one will not become a wimp and if one is stupid they will not become stupid idiots, because they have learnt control of themselves.
    So I think that self control is a big thing, if you don't have such then one is on the path that leads to misery regardless of who you are, not to mention ones own ego can be a big problem thinking that they are some sort of power in there own right treating all other people with contempt and that's why they steal or try push others around, because they get off on it and when they get caught out they wimp about like a total moron but when they are off the hook that type just go back to finding getting off on that same stupid buss again.

    I can remember the old schooldays with gangs of morons who were real tuff until they got a hiding and that's the one thing everyone understands, it maybe the only real wake up call some truly only understand, the gently gently approach just does not work with them.
     
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    Forget the send back to the country bit, but what do you do to the parents that get in the **** for clouting their kids to get them on the straight and narrow and they still turn into little mongrels like this?

    What the hell am I on about? I'm one such parent that got a knock on the door by the cops for clipping one of my kids because he shop lifted and I caught them out....End result, that mongrel kid ended up serving a few years in the slammer for knocking crap off....Do I still need to be locked up or get aids or something else?
     
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    So how is the likes of you and I paying for their holiday (and jail seems to be exactly that) going to teach them a lesson? These mongrels get free room, board and medical complements of the tax payer. They get regular visits, gaming machines, gyms, phone calls tellies and in some states can get their girlfriend/wife in to get their rocks off as well as getting paid to stay there. Some come out and have learnt more ways to commit crime than before they went in....Good lesson to teach them.

    To me, the lesson to teach them is the eye for the eye lesson, but due to do gooders that's not permitted....
     
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    Valid point however those costs need to be weighed against the cost to the community when the crimes are committed....property damage & theft along with physical and emotional damage to people & lost productivity in the economy.

    Removing those privileges for repeat offenders will reduce the ongoing cost of incarceration. I see no reason why they should get them anyway.

    My point was that they don't come out.
     
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    That's the problem nowadays a parent is not allowed to be a parent, due to political correctness, if I was to do something wrong back in the 60's 70's my Dad and Mum would be the one I would be worried about, mainly because they would not be pleased at all about such, I don't ever remember Dad hitting me but Mum broke a lot of wooden spoons on me. strike while the iron is hot she would say and cops back in them days had more power of making their own judgment as to what was best done, as they may leave it up to the parents to sort the problem out as the best course of action, but nowadays with Australia becoming more and more of a Socialist State we are becoming like the Nazis and Jews with a disgusting Letter of the Law attitude and the Grace of God is rejected and so this letter of the Law crap only leads to enslavement of the people not to mention more and more stupid worthless laws.
     
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    I would not say a eye for an eye, but pay up for all the damage one has caused in full, is a good incentive not to be a just a dropkick.

    What we get now is pricks who boast how much damage they have done when in jail and idiot look up to the biggest jerk, but if a screw said yes dip stick and you will being paying for every last cent of it ya wanker Haha moron.
     
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    I was brought up with the same principals.....Step out of line, the old man or old lady would use the strap/cord or hand on you....but with all this political correctness, we aren't allowed to do this these days
     
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    The problem with this is, the lazy bastards won't get off their butt and get a job....Yes courts can order restitution for the damages they cause, but for some it still doesn't matter.....They will still destroy things or steal things because they can...
     
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    And that is the problem with the new age degenerates Labour party, Liberal party, not to mention the greens, is that they are working to destroy society at the grass roots, they start with our kids and try to make bastards out of them and everything they have done is geared that way, so as to destroy the strength of family values and trade it in for nothing but filth and in power all the moronic queer selfish way above all under what they deem the human rights banner, that is nothing but a facade for evil to run loose, empowering clowns.
    Under the powers of Political Correctness You have no rights to point out or offend any moron because you may offend them.

    The Leader of Russia Putin was pointing out to the USA once the stupidity of it's leadership over some years, that it was grossly in competent and that it was on the path that leads to Communism and what USA came back with is crap like 'Don't embarrass us, Don't embarrass us' threats ! what's wrong with embarrassing others for folly or foolishness, if it's constructive or to the health of a nation, such should be encouraged and respected for what it truly is, but the Idolatry of Socialist Political Correctness does not work like that, it's a crime to offend regardless. it offends the Ego ! and Satan the one who works to deceive the whole world will not stand for that.
    If a Mum smacked her 4yo child on the arse for wanting to run out on the road in a built up area, your little PC dick wit would take offence but could not comprehend that it was for the good of the child and start pushing their weight around like some moronic Nazi thug claiming nothing but BS because they have no rational reasoning ability and I think to myself why is there so many like so about nowadays and I think it's due to idiots taking drugs, Ice and crap like that just rots the brain box out and they don't know that parts of the old noddle have disappeared, I have a old mate that was once on speed and he is like that now with f all reasoning ability worth jack.
     

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