MY17 Specs and Release Date

[Forg]

Really? GM Powertrains are cutting production of the LS3, the most popular engine in the Crate Engine Program?

Yeah, it's old & struggles to meet emissions laws now. Pretty much everything for sale in the US (apart from an obscure full-sized sports-oriented sedan they don't sell much of ... what's it called? ... Chevrolet ST or something?) has moved on to newer & more thrifty & more powerful variations of the SBC.

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Ah, I just picked-up on the "crate engine" thing ... I wonder how they manage those? They don't sell enough to keep a dedicated high-volume production-line going just for crate engines, so I don't know if they have some specialists doing that stuff or whether they only sell what they have stockpiled?
Or maybe they use local reconditioners? Until only a few years ago, you could take your rooted 600k-km Volvo 4cyl tractor-engine out of the 240GL you use to terrorise other right-lane users into the local Volvo dealer and for $2k plus the old engine you'd get a shiny new one with a new warranty (3yrs I think it was when I asked a few years back). Couldn't get anything apart from standard done, and it had to be like-for-like regardless of the fact that the cost was the same for all engines of the same type (eg. you couldn't take in a n/a 1976 engine & get a new turbo 1995-spec one in return).

 

[bLackjackj]

They will run out of LS3 before they shut the place down in Elizabeth...... so whoever wants a V8 better get it asap....

Another dealer? Seriously I wish you guys would stop. According to industry sources, there are plenty of engines & any orders and then some will be filled. Holden already ran the numbers a long time ago. There is no rush and this isn't JBHIFI!

 

[blackve76]

Another dealer? Seriously I wish you guys would stop. According to industry sources, there are plenty of engines & any orders and then some will be filled. Holden already ran the numbers a long time ago. There is no rush and this isn't JBHIFI!

Holden like ford would already have locked away build numbers as they would have already ordered the drivelines and given all suppliers the quanitys they need to supply of parts etc.

What dealers are being allocated is what there is, some will pop up from dealers that don't sell there amount but its all locked in.

Govt orders inc police cars
Chevy SS builds
HSV builds(bet there a lot of them as holden will make more $$$$

not much left after that.

 

[Forg]

Govt orders inc police cars
Chevy SS builds
HSV builds(bet there a lot of them as holden will make more $$$$

not much left after that.

Don't know that Holden makes that much more money out of HSV builds. I doubt they're charging HSV retail, and there's not a lot that saves Holden money when those cars are running down the production line.

However I did start saying "pffft" a few days ago, and wrote the numbers down ... and what sounds like a small number of cars being assigned to dealers is probably not all that unusual.
So how many Commodores have they been selling recently per year, 25000 or so?
Only 2/3 of a year for production, make that about 17000.
Extra 3000 cars for USA, that's 14000.
Half local production in these final years is V8 innit? So 7000.
How many dealers are there? People are saying 35-odd Redlines at their local dealer, with SSV gone would it be 50:50 between SS & Redline? This is all rule-of-thumb. So that dealer with 35 Redlines has 70 V8's.
100 dealers in all of Australia? Probably not that many, but probably not FAR short, and the bigger dealers will be getting more cars.
I think the numbers of cars we're hearing that're allocated to dealers are looking not entirely different to the numbers that would've been sold for the first 2/3 of the year this year & last year ... ?

 

[ProjectHeron]

Don't know that Holden makes that much more money out of HSV builds. I doubt they're charging HSV retail, and there's not a lot that saves Holden money when those cars are running down the production line.

However I did start saying "pffft" a few days ago, and wrote the numbers down ... and what sounds like a small number of cars being assigned to dealers is probably not all that unusual.
So how many Commodores have they been selling recently per year, 25000 or so?
Only 2/3 of a year for production, make that about 17000.
Extra 3000 cars for USA, that's 14000.
Half local production in these final years is V8 innit? So 7000.
How many dealers are there? People are saying 35-odd Redlines at their local dealer, with SSV gone would it be 50:50 between SS & Redline? This is all rule-of-thumb. So that dealer with 35 Redlines has 70 V8's.
100 dealers in all of Australia? Probably not that many, but probably not FAR short, and the bigger dealers will be getting more cars.
I think the numbers of cars we're hearing that're allocated to dealers are looking not entirely different to the numbers that would've been sold for the first 2/3 of the year this year & last year ... ?

While some goods points have been made here, not sure i fully agree - many dealers are fairly unhappy as they have only received about 40-50% of their 2016 numbers of SV6 and SS models, meaning there are 50-60% less of these commodores for them to sell...

I dont think the supply issue is as bad as everyone is making out, but im also fairly confident this forum will be full of a fair bit of complaining from those that wait a little too long into the new year. Guys, if you want one (ie your not on the fence, you want one) get it ordered by March next year.

Any longer and while you still might get one, there will be no guarantee of anything in my opinion.

And no, im not a dealer... but i just bought a MY16 with everything i wanted under employee purchase for many of the reasons above...

 

[Petrit Selimi]

While some goods points have been made here, not sure i fully agree - many dealers are fairly unhappy as they have only received about 40-50% of their 2016 numbers of SV6 and SS models, meaning there are 50-60% less of these commodores for them to sell...

I dont think the supply issue is as bad as everyone is making out, but im also fairly confident this forum will be full of a fair bit of complaining from those that wait a little too long into the new year. Guys, if you want one (ie your not on the fence, you want one) get it ordered by March next year.

Any longer and while you still might get one, there will be no guarantee of anything in my opinion.

And no, im not a dealer... but i just bought a MY16 with everything i wanted under employee purchase for many of the reasons above...

I have a MY16 redline and also want to purchase the MY17 under the Gold Card retiree scheme and was advised that unless Holden reimburse the dealer from their stock they won't supply me one. I'm going to go in once the Limited Edition is disclosed to see if they will take a deposit off me.

 

[timandhayley]

There won't be employee pricing on the special packs or MY17 HSV.

Employee pricing on regular MY17 Commodore will be at dealer discretion (i.e. good luck). Unless Holden can allocate an extra car from somewhere they might have hidden a dealer is not going to want to do an employee deal when they can retail the car and actually make a $ out of it. After next year, unless the new SUV's coming take off, you wouldn't want to be a Holden dealer......

 

[Forg]

After next year, unless the new SUV's coming take off, you wouldn't want to be a Holden dealer......

That's a huge "unless" though isn't it, given that gerlytrux are such a solid cash-cow and are still increasing in popularity as we move closer to Idiocracy?
Plus Barina (if Corsa) & Astra should be solid players in their smallish pools?

 

[timandhayley]

Barina and Astra are not moving well at all. Captiva and Colorado are the only volume cars we have and Captiva is due to die shortly and be replaced with a car likely to be $10k-$20k more (Equinox on the lower end and Acadia on the upper end). Captiva sells well because it is great value for money (even if it hasn't got a great reputation for reliability).

 

[PSISLE]

hi timandhayley, will the special editions be excluded from the Holden in the driveway scheme as well? Can you shed any light on supercoaches info that the Motorsport will retail for $61,990?
Cheers