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Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by Wayne001, May 15, 2019.

  1. Ron Burgundy

    Ron Burgundy Well-Known Member

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    Snake oil bruz. You post reveals no real and measurable evidence of any real life benefit of that additive in an engine...
    Engine oil companies spend a fair amount of money on r&d and have been for many years. Modern engine oils are more than sufficient to cover all engine demands.. (lubrication, cleaning, cooling)...
     
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    You're spot on Ron. I didn't give any measurable evidence... I didn't intend to. It's a post about my experience in response to the OP's question.

    And you're right again, oil companies DO spend a lot on R&D for their oils. Some of them use molybdenum disulfide in their additive packages. It's actually what helped Mobil 1 become so effective and popular back in the day.

    You're entitled to your opinion, as we all are. I've put the time and research into separating facts from opinion to satisfy myself that molybdenum disulfide works. My experience over 14 years of using it supports that. Nothing more to it.
     
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    I previously never used an additive but doing my Golf R's post run-in oil change (my choice, not VW's) my Euro independent only uses Liqui Moly oils (OEM approved) and has suggested adding one of their additives which has been in the market almost 10 years and I have read 100s of +ve reviews. Maybe snake oil but the mechanic has aa brilliant rep and won't break the bank (Using an independent rather than VW saves me well over the cost of the additive. https://www.liqui-moly.com.au/products/cera-tec/
     
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    My ecotec has 500000km on it never had flash additives lives on $15 bottles of gulf western no need for extra additives unless you have an old flat tappet engine that needs some zinc to keep the lobes on the cam
     
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    I don't use them myself however my Dad and his neighbour who was a Cab Driver swore by Proma MBL8.
     
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    The Pro Ma MBL8 is another molybdenum disulfide based product and the taxi and diesel, caravan towing crowd seem to be big fans.

    I looked into that one in the past and they're very secretive about the product ingredients. A friend of mine was a distributor for a while and confirmed that the "micro-metallic particles" they refer to on their product specification sheet is mostly molybdenum disulfide with some copper and possibly another metal that I can't recall.

    I didn't like the high priced, pyramid scheme, high pressure, authorised distributor sales model they had, so never used it.
     
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    Back when I was a kid, my father used a molybdenum disulfide oil additive in his engine (and gearbox) at oil change time. Being an aircraft engineer for Qantas for nearly 40 years, he didn't waste money on snake oil. Of course, we have much better engine oils now and much better access to information, thanks to the internet.

    I had the engine on the EH stripped and rebuilt 12 months ago and asked the rebuilder of the engine for his thoughts. I also just had some upgrades done on my E3 by an engine builder/modifier and he noted that I had Liqui-Moly MoS2 in the oil when I delivered the car to him. Both engine builders believe that the base oils and additive packages by the mainstream oil manufacturers means there is no need for the use of after market add ins.

    For the money I have spent on both of these cars, I still use Liqui-Moly MoS2. Because I believe that if its $15 wasted, that's ok. If it makes the engine produce less friction and wear, then it's a win for very little money. On the VF, thats racked up nearly 100,000kms in a little over 2 years, it just gets good quality fully synthetic oil/filter changes every 7500kms, without additives, as this car will be lucky to be with me for the 5 year warranty life of the car.

    Snake oil?? Maybe. But worth every cent if it's not.
     
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    Interesting subject it always leaves me more confused.
    Like everyone else you go searching to find facts and tests.
    Found some interesting ones , even Penrite gets a mention in one.
    The last one was the most impressive.





     
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    I have used the left handed one.
     
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    I've used Ceramiser in my old VP ute (* sighs *) It made a difference for sure, more because the motor was getting on I think.
     
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    Met someone today who'd gotten 330k out of an allottec without a teardown.
     
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    330 doesn't surprise me at all. Mine has done 270 and runs like brand new.
    Valvoline is the go, just ask John Laws or Ricky Ponting!
     
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    My old boss sold his vz alloytec at 520000km only ever had plugs and an ecu and regular 5000km oil changes towed his racecar all over the country with it went through breakpads and rotors more than anything else lol
     
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    Did the oil change today and added liqui moly , will keep you guy's posted on how it goes . Only have done a few klms so far and no change .
     
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    Hi all I bought some of the liquid moly Cera Tec and put it the the wife’s car (test mule).

    Her car sounds like a diesel when cold till the oil got some temperature so I though why not give it a try really not expecting much.

    So I tipped in just under a full bottle (car only holds 4L of oil) and started the car to hear the ticking sound it’s had for ages then about 5-10secs later nothing there’s not ticking sound anymore at all.

    Went for about 30min drive to mix it all up with the oil and the car is silent like I don’t even think it was this quiet when we pick it up new.

    So all in all very impressed and well be getting 2 more bottles for the mistress next week.
     
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    Ok calling , snake oil . If any thing i can hear the upper valve train a bit more , going to replace the DOD filter this weekend hopefully that will quiet things down .
     
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    That’s interesting @Wayne001 because I had fantastic results using cera tec in the wife’s car (Barina spark).

    How much did you use??
    I think you need about 2 cans to get a 6% mix
     
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    I used just one can .
     
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    Maybe try another can and see how that goes.
    I haven’t had a chance to do this to the mistress yet as I’m on call at work.
     
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    According to the can one should have done it .
     

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