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Omega & Berlina to get "premium" engine

Discussion in 'VE Holden Commodore (2006 - 2013)' started by andrewmac, Oct 14, 2008.

  1. andrewmac

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    Heard today that the Omega and Berlina motors will be getting an "upgrade" and will now have dual VVT like the 195 engine to reduce fuel consumption.
    When I first heard this I assumed that the 195 and 5 speed would be dropped in but its quite the opposite.
    The fuel consumption will now drop to 10.6 L/100KM however the motor has now lost power and torque as a result.
    So the Base model now makes 175 KW (yet again) and 325 NM of torque and produces the power at 6500RPM as opposed to 6000 RPM.
    Im really quite surprised that holden has has so much trouble squeezing fuel economy out of this car and the fact that they had to lower the power to do so.
    Such a young engine and it seems like not that much can be done with it.
     
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    Thats embarrasing if its true.. but is it true? where did you hear it? Surely they wont do this!:bang:
     
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    yeah i'm sure that'll all change when they introduce direct injection. 220kw v6
     
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    Well they have done it before (VZ 175 - 172 if anyone remembers) and they are doing it yet again.

    AFM for V8, not V6 - New Models
     
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    Pfft.

    Not to mention the DOD V8's have 10kw less as well.

    If it wasn't for brand loyalty, the alloytec would kill the commodore.
     
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    the v8 can afford the 10kw loss no prob but the v6 sure can't afford it's power loss.
     
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    greenacc Searching for the billion

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    you know what holden is like. First they introduce a crap feature, then in the next series they rave about the 'improvements' when the power goes back up to what it used to be.
     
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    What people neglect to understand is that the kw power figures are only PEAK power. Something nobody can use on the road legally.

    More important for daily driving is torque. If the torque figure goes up with a sacrifice of some peak power, GREAT!!!! It's an IMPROVEMENT!!!
     
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    But it didn't, it went down....
     
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    Um, I said "if". People go on and on about power but don't realise they can never actually use it.
     
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    This is exactly why I won't by any new car...Came with anything...wait till all the f***ups are fixed up first...
     
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    Yup... Cause those VP Commodores had absolutely NO problems! :whistling
     
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    Never said they did...but why pay 30k+ for a car when they havn't taken out all the problems...
     
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    Whilst I have no idea how Lightning_VP's post was relevant to this thread, VP's were mechanically quite reliable back in their day. Today it is perhaps a different story lol
     
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    along the theme of the Omega and Berlina being new cars and having, yet again, more problems and stuff...

    Safety although economy has gone up the "reliability" of cars has gone down the drain...
     
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    There are no problems going on, just a more economical V6 at the cost of 5kw of power and 5NM of torque.
     
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    I see...My bad...
     
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    Please explain why reliability has "gone down the drain".
     
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    Calaber Nil Bastardo Carborundum

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    The changes being made to the VE's engines have absolutely nothing to do with the cars reliability. The rapid increases in fuel costs have forced manufacturers all over the world to modify engines and transmissions in an effort to improve fuel economy.

    These changes won't be the last. Changing world conditions, buyer expectations and increasing competition will see to that. For a manufacturer to survive today, they can't release a new model and say "that's it, we won't touch it now until the next model comes out." They have to work hard continually improving and upgrading the cars to remain competitive.

    About the only thing that Holden continues to do wrong, is to stick with the old four speed auto in base models. It is hopelessly obsolete and should have been chucked out years ago for at least a five speed auto as the base transmission. Hopefully, one for the VF to introduce.
     
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    Reaper Tells it like it is.

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    The underlying problem is the 1800 kgs of lard it has to push.

    Reaper
     

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