P Platers and High Performance cars.....

Take it out on the gravel track kick it in the ass control it......

Ya doing good. not talking fish tails i mena drive it as you were on

the road. No one to hit out there but trees.

Learn from ya mistakes.. Nothing wrong with owning a V8 as a first car

just learn to drive it sensable. like me :rofl:

 

No I haven't.
In my work vehicle yes.

I"m no hypocrite, I've just seen the end results of solid versus moving objects

 

Well put this way, I am 24 been off P plates now for 6 years just about. If I had owned my VT SS back when I had my P Plates, I probably wouldn't be here.
Far as I am concerned, if you just put around in a powerful car, why drive one in the first place. I am sure a P Plater who thinks he is cool, with a powerful car. Then wraps himself around a tree, will let everyone else know he was only just a tool.
A V6 commodore has plenty of power to have fun in, even then they can still be scary.

 

I dont think banning P platers from performance cars is the answer.. because any car no matter what power can be dangerous.. and about the street dragin business.. I saw a dude racing wid a toyota avalon.. lol

 

The reality is that ANY car is capable of speeding, and ANY car can go sideways in the wet. If you impose limitations on P platers, you wont curb the behaviour of the stupid ones at all, only cause problems for the poor 29 year old soul who never needed a license and now can't drive the husbands super 6 because of some stupid stupid teenager killed himself. I guarantee that imposing restrictions on P platers cars will reduce the road toll by exactly this much:

0%

 

I just wanna add my two cents.

For a P-Plater, or anyone for that matter, a ban on high performance cars is a waste of time. A standard V6 Commodore is capable of speed of over 200 km/h. I have been sitting in a car doing 160, and that car was the bane of all motoring, the Hyundai Excel.
And if we all drove tinny deathtraps with 'acceptable' power to weight ratios like Subaru Sherpas and Suzuki Swifts, if we were hit by anything larger than a bicyclist doing more than 20, we would be, to put it frankly, stuffed.
My own grandmother, who has been driving for 20 years, still cannot reverse and is not confident enough driving in heavy traffic, let alone the dark. When she took driving lessons before obtaining her lisence all she wa taugt how to do was pass the test, not how to drive properly.
The point that Im trying to prove is that its not the cars that need banning, its the crappy drivers. I have been driving for a year now, and while I dont admit to being experienced, I have been cut off numerous times and nearly had accidents because of it. And I have never been cut off, tailgated or anything by a P-Plater.

Like I said, just my opinion

 

Took the words right out of my mouth

 

Definately think P-Platers should not be allowed to drive high powered vehicles, it will only encourage them to drive it faster aswell as carelessly.

A few mates of mine have had VN V8's, all written off within 6-8months of buying them. Now they are rolling in 88 celicas, mazda 626's and a ford tx-5. Needless to say not a mark on the car since they bought it.

Something the Vic Gov't should enforce is a driving course like the RACV have where you get to get out on the track and drive your car and know your limits.

I'm just about to go for my P's.

 

I think it doesn't matter, if you owned a 4 and was a ******** p Plate driver you can still kill someone...All i can say is that there are too many stupid p plate drivers. The worst are the showoffs that do that sorta **** with someone else in the car. Cuz if you survive you gotta live knowing that you killed your mate. Also some open drivers cant drive as well as p platers...so y can they have powerful cars, my car has nearly been wiped out 5 times. It's still in one; no hits. Closet was less than a foot at 60km/h (3 car crash in front; had a 3 others in the car that said if it was them they would've hit (1 is open driver)). Not trying to talk myself up but if i can drive and react to a situation then y cant i have a performance vehicle while open drivers can???

 

being a p plater myself i know im not a superstar driver... but ive done all my defensive driving courses now... i got into a hairy situation last week in the city and had to hit the skids, now instead of stopping 4 or 5 meters from the back of the car infront i got off the brakes and crept up to it so the person behind me didnt rearrange the ass end of my car....
i think the best way to teach a P plater how to drive is to have at least one compulsary defensive driving course as part of the 6 months learners period aswell as 50 hours driving

 

HAHA that cracked me up

I am a P plater and i also agree that P platers shouldnt be allowed high performance cars. they can just wait a few years.

 

I'll kinda do the same...if i'm stopped and see someone flying up my arse i'll let the brakes off and creep foward so if it does hit it's less impact, cuz i'm gonna smash the car in front neways.
I've never had to hit the skids though, i always keep my distance...even if i have to go 10km/h below the speed limit, this is mainly on the bridge, it's where the most acidents happen in rocky.

 

My opinion is, yes P Platers should be banned from High Peformance cars.

Hence the High Performance part, how the f*** is a 100KW VH V8 considered High Performance? yet its alright to drive a 190KW V6 Commie but not a 100KW V8, It doesnt make sense.

Being a P Plater myself I can drive something with a V8 or Forced Induction because I got my red Ps before the law here in NSW was put in place but its a killer for insurance.

IMO I think at the moment this new law will work but in a few years time when these P Platers get off their Ps and get their full licence, what do you think the first thing they'll do? They'll go and buy or jump in some High Powered car and they'll act like idiots after being stuck in a slow car over the last 3 years.

You cant stop idiots from being idiots, its in their nature and throwing them in slower car aint going to do squat because once their time is up on their Ps theres a 99% chance they'll jump into the closest High Performance car they see and add to the road toll anyway.

The average age for a P Plater to get their full licence in NSW is 20 so their still quite young.

 

just reading over all the posts, some people like to contradict themselves

I needed a good laugh

 

In the edn while car manufacturers continue to make cars that are over powered for their need. (So you really need a V12 Kompressor?) there will be a need to set a benchmark of limits on what 'novice' drivers can be allowed to drive. Perhaps if governments had the ablls we'd have a lot more complaners both reestriced and open in this thread about what they were banned from.

Perhaps the governements should just ban the cars and not the drivers in the first place.

 

I think ANY new driver REGARDLESS of age should be restricted from high performance vehicles. They should be made to complete a driver training course as part of the license requirement.

Now I know they can still speed and do reckless things in standard cars but lets face it there is MUCH more of a temptation when you have a beast of a car under you.

I don't think stupidity and reckless behaviour is limited to young people either. We should be working on this across ALL age groups and not just targeting one area.

Just my thoughts

Lucy

 

Bada-boom-bingo.

We should have several license classes. Keeping with Vic's current theme of "anything over 125kw/tonne is high powered.." we could have these classes:

1. Under 125kw/tonne without forced induction.
2. Under 125kw/tonne with forced induction.
3. Over 125kw/tonne (fi & non fi)
4. 4WD

Maybe the first one could be standard with the other 3 as optional additions?

And 4WD is there because I'm sick of the 4 foot tall soccer mums who can't drive them. I used the 125kw/tonne thing because Vicroads currently monitor this anyway, so these changes could be adopted relatively easily...

 

Why should any level of license be allowed to drive a high performance car? If a P plater will use the grunt, surely a fully licensed person will too.

 

As mentioned above, you're confusing ability with experience.

Why should you not be allowed to drive a powerful car if you've earned the right to?

 

i have the ABILITY to drive a high performance car.
I have the EXPERIENCE in a high performance car.

Im not long off my p's, first car was a powerful V8, now im still alive and have never stacked it. yep, been booked speeding, also been booked in my datsun.
Had two friends killed in a BA, why? sun was in their eyes. Oh yes, she was a P plater.

power and p-plates arent always associated. i say this because i dont agree with level licences. A d!ckhead will always be a d!ckhead, thats that.