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Piston slap LS3 - this is very interesting

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by Ron Burgundy, Jan 21, 2020.

  1. Skylarking

    Skylarking Well-Known Member

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    Could Mr. Pemberton be the prime whiteness at a possible NZed class action against Holden re this extremely common defect :p

    Idiots at Holden should have handled this quietly rather than having a uncontested court loss with such silly “extremely common” statements on the record :oops:
     
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    wetwork65 A wet business

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    Agree but Holden obviously has no concerns any more in regard to public profile.
    It's a zombie brand.
     
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    Skylarking Well-Known Member

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    Keeping issues out of public domain and away from potential class action, which could be a very costly affair, is just good economics :p To go to court fighting strong consumer law defines just how dumb and out of touch management seem to be :oops: Seems they can’t even fathom a possible class action will be bad for their bonuses o_O

    It’s up there with Nissan’s ineptitude during another aussie court debacle where poor fuel consumption not matching the sales promises resulted in a full purchase price refund :eek: and after the appeal fails, which it must, I think it becomes a precedent :p

    It’s simply dumb, dumb, dumb and less about the fact they may not care about their public profile :rolleyes:
     
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    My car makes so many different types of noises cold or warm I'm not even sure which one is which anymore...
     
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    After the all the issues with the 1st batch of LS1 engines years ago you’d think they’d have this sorted by now it’s crap really!! What about the earlier LS3 engines that came in the VE HSV’s do they suffer the same issues?
     
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    Had mine in for service yesterday. Left it overnight at the dealership service centre so I could take a mechanic for a test drive when it was cold. I was able to produce the sound and the mechanic acknowledged it too. They happened to have a LS3 SSV on their used car lot and took it for a cold start drive. They claim that it also produced a similar sound however they were still willing to take the matter to Holden Engineering. I provided a number of video recordings to the service manager who has forwarded it to Holden Engineering in Melbourne to analyse. Now just waiting for a response.
     
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    How have the LS1's been from a longevity perspective? I guess that would be a good gauge on if piston slap is detrimental to an engines lifespan.
     
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    Fingers crossed mate !
     
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    Ron Burgundy Well-Known Member

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    Look at my old thread. My bores were oval in shape from piston slap after 35000km. Holden's report says it...
     
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    Just because there are other engines out there doing it it does not make it okay. The majority of Ls3s with correct tollerances dont make the noise...
     
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    This, after reading all of Ron's posts I got super paranoid of the various noises mine made. I drive down an alley to get in and out of the garage so hear every little thing reflected off the walls.

    It got a lot better after a service at a (hopefully) proper mechanic (I'm sure the Toyota dealer I bought it from put expensive oil in it for their "service" :rolleyes:). Perhaps just a placebo though.
     
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    greenacc Searching for the billion

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    What a stupid court defence, essentially saying All our engine's are crap, how can one customer expect a quiet one??
    Well done to the court on this one.
     
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    Calaber Nil Bastardo Carborundum

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    What gets me is we are talking about a US or Mexican built motor that sells in huge numbers in the States. What's the view of US customers regarding this noise? Do they just accept it or is GM in strife with multiple claims too?
     
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    Yes
     
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    USofA is a different market where cars are sold at a cheaper price while customer expectations are also different. They dump their cars more frequently so the original owners may not see such issues.

    And you can’t take a vehicle with poor NVH characteristics and sell it into a market at a price where the customer expectation is for a quite smooth ride with only a nice burble from the exhaust and intake. You also can’t take a poor quality product that will quickly break and sell it into a market at a price where people expect something to last longer without issues.

    Holden sold the MSE for $70k so Aussie buyers will have a different expectation of the vehicle than if they paid $30k... Meanwhile the Chevy SS’s were sold in the states at runout prices so the owners expectations may be rather different there.

    Down under it’s all about what is a reasonable customer expectation given the price. So I’m just grateful we have ACL and now a NZ court case to quote if Holden doesn’t play ball on this piston slap issue down the track...

    But don’t discard the risk of US class action on this issue, if there is money to be made by lawyer :eek:
     
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    How many of the 8 pistons were slapping? Im assuming that the oval shape would have only been in those cylinders?
     
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    No idea. Never asked
     
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    One is one too many;)
     
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    Apparently the piston slap happens on the "2019 SS-V" :rolleyes:
    [​IMG]
     
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    That whole article is so poorly written.
     
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