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Piston slap LS3 - this is very interesting

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by Ron Burgundy, Jan 21, 2020.

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    Modern-ish BMWs don't actually have a coolant temperature gauge (will show a yellow warning on dash when coolant temperature is high and a red warning when temperature is critical), that temp gauge is most likely the oil temperature gauge.

    For my mum's f30 328i it takes a good 10 minutes just for the oil temp to start moving from its lowest mark (70 deg C).
     
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    totally stock tune all the LS engines have it, also the diesel engines take longer to get up to temp as diesel itself controls alot of the heat so running them lean is cooler and too rich can melt pistons
     
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    The oil holden tell you to run is way too thin for these motors,its all about fuel economy for holden so the thinner the better,not engine protection...
    Ill be running penrite ten tenths 10w40 in my 6.0 when i get around to servicing it.
     
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    I once ran Penrite ten tenths full zinc 10w 40 in my L77. It didn't like it at all. I went straight back to Penrite Enviro Plus 5w40 and it loved it. Still does. 90,000k's, with plenty of tacho romping and redline gear shifts and it's still quite as a mouse.
     
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    A little off topic Ron, but I'm curious what temp yours runs at, seeing as you can see the actual coolant temp. Does it fluctuate much while driving?
     
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    Buying a car from me would be the best car you would ever buy. Serviced regularly and very well looked after. My last Calias V was in mint condition. The guy loved it but screwed me on price. I see it regualry still after 2 years but he should bloody wash it.
     
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    It's usually about 100 degrees. Varies by less than 5 degrees up or down depending on driving conditions/traffic

    Oil temp does not fluctuate much
    Usually around 105 degrees with couple degrees up or down. Never seen it go above 108 degrees..
     
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    It was a joke :p;)
     
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    I thought the oil temp was calculated on the VE/VF rather than an actual oil temp sensor?
     
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    No idea where data is pulled from...
    Thats what the screen says :)
     
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    The VF LS3 engine has a sensor mounted on OS side of the sump guessing this is where it is measured from. The VE 6L did not appear to have same.
     
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    How do you enable the performance menu?
     
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    Ahh ok,what do you mean it didnt like it?
    Does your 6.0 have piston slap?
    Well maybe i wont run it then,my tuner actually recommended 15/50 ten tenths.
    He was telling me the reason the roller tips on the lifters fail over time is because of the thin oil causing the oil film to be too thin and causing the roller to slip on the cam,all new to me.
    Dont quote me on that because it is all his words,i know sweet fa about that lol.
    Id love to know what oil toyota put in when i bought the wagon from them,ive not had a single issue with the oil they used,might look into it.
    Spoke to toyota and they used mobil 5w30 formula s which to the best of my knowledge is semi synth,motor runs great with no noise and dosent burn any oil.
    Pretty sure it only comes in 205 drums so maybe a workshop special oil lol
    Might just try penrite enviro+ gf 5w30 and see how it goes,penmrite recommend it for the 6.0,it runs fine on 5w30 so i dont see the need to change it to a thicker oil yet.
     
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    Yeah, it simply had some cold start valve train noise. It was during winter too. It left me a bit worried about engine wear. So, i changed straight back to 5w40 and it was singing a sweet tune again when cold (and hot). Personally I wouldn't go a more viscous oil in the low temp range. That's when all the wear happens hey. i like the Penrite Enviro 5w40 so much, because it's approved by GM for use in my engine (no warranty issues), it is less viscous when cold, so flows to all the essential areas, like big end and crank bearings quicker and so achieves pressure sooner, and at normal operating temp is more viscous than a 30 weight. The engine runs really smooth on it too. So for mine, it's a win/win/win.
    No piston slap on my L77, nor any of the numerous LS's we've owned. My Son's LS3 Clubby has near enough to 200,000k's on it and runs beautiful. All we ever do is run good oil and change oil and filter at around 7-8 thousand k's. It works for me.
     
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    I also have the performance menu enabled...my water temp can vary 15C depending on driving conditions. Oil temp is like yours...usually around 105. It surprised me that the oil temp takes at least 10 min of driving before reaching operating temp. Before getting the performance menu, I thought that the car was good to go via the water temp gauge..clearly not. (My cars done 12k km, no noises yet, fingers crossed)
     
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    My old V6 was the same, took twice as long to get the oil up to temp compared to coolant.
     
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    I drive mine very gingerly and slowly for the first 5 minutes along the neighbourhood roads until I get onto main roads by which time she's warmed up. People hammer past me. I don't care - she's given time to warm up. Nearly five years and 87K km later she sounds and drives as well as ever. That along with 7.5K oil/filter changes seems to have kept her running well.
     
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    greenacc Searching for the billion

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    I had to laugh at 87K. My Alloytec has 275K on it and still runs like new. Possibly better than new. 5W40 is good stuff. It seems to be a viscosity that the cheap imitation Synthetic labels stay away from like the 'Everyday Synthetics', ie the semi Synthetics pretending to be something more.
     
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