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Polishing the SS

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by evBenji, Mar 18, 2019.

  1. evBenji

    evBenji Active Member

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    We have a 2017 ss sedan and its black

    Can hose it off all day everyday but the shine is dimming and it needs a polish

    However unlike our VY that you can cut n polish or slop that orange bottle of polish on it, it get the feeling that the 2017 paint work requires something different or a more advanced polish?

    Could someone recommend whats best for the VF... we dont have a buffer, we'll only probably use chammy etc

    Some nob head recommended mr sheen omg.
     
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    I guess the first thing is to understand the difference between cut, polish, claybar, wax and sealant.

    The first two work by removing a little of the top layer of paint to reveal what's underneath and ultimately, you'll eat through your clear coat.

    I use only a claybar (to remove external contaminents on the paint - once a year), and sealant (it only adds a protective coating to the paint. It won't remove any imperfections on contaminants - every three months for cars parked outside day or night - once every six months for garaged cars) on all of my cars.

    I use NXT Sealant from Meguairs.
     
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    1. Throw that chammy (and I presume a sponge to wash) away and get yourself a microfibre wash mit and drying towel. Sponges and chammys will marr the paint.

    2. As @Voodoo_SV6 says, there is more to it than a "cut and polish".

    3. You don't necessarily need a buff. You can do it by hand with the correct applicator pads and buffing cloths which is how I do mine.

    4. I would only use cutting copound if the paint is severely detriorated / oxidised. I wouldn't expect this to be the case with a 2017 car.

    5. I would be inclined to clay bar, polish and seal/wax. Once you've washed the car, clay bar, tape up alll areas that aren't painted, i.e. plastic trims, badges etc, polish then seal/wax.

    6. Allow up to 6 or 7 hurs if doing tis by hand and have cold beers n the fridge so you can sit back and admise your work with a coldie at the end of the day.

    I only clayed and waxed mine a few months ago as I didn't consider it needed a polish. Check my ride thread below for some pics if your interested.

    Also, +1 for Meguiars.
     
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    I use aytoglym polish every 3-4 months (car is only in a car port) followed by autoglym hard wax.

    You need to put a wax or sealant over any polished Surface to protect the paint especially if you do a cut and polish.

    There’s a channel on YouTube called AMMO NYC and he is really good (a little crazy) but really good at explaining all this stuff

    This is the wife’s 2013 barina from about a month ago D64BE078-12C2-4CC2-AA1E-D6D752B6050F.jpeg
     
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    I agree with Mattricho the AMMO guy is good watching and learning.
    The only problem is when the auto suppliers have specials now I start to think I need that product try
    it then buy another. Just wax on and wax off in straight movements.
    (sorry had to put that one in maybe showing my age, bad joke)
     
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    I’ll add a little to some of the good advice already given.

    Decontamination of the painted surface with a clay bar and a good quality lube is a must to get rid of the grime and blemishes.

    If the surface is dulled by marring and deep swirls then no hand polish will ever fix that and you may need to bite the bullet and purchase a polishing machine or have a detailer correct it.

    Polish is not wax and wax is not polish and products that contain a combination of the two are usually a compromise.

    Many of the cheaper polishes on the market and this includes some of the Meguiars products contain fillers which fill up the swirls to give the appearance of a smooth surface and this filler will wash out in a few weeks and the dull look will reappear.

    Always use the two bucket method to wash the car to minimise swirling, use microfibre cloths instead of chamois and terry towels, use waffle weave cloths to dry, use microfibre mitts to wash and microfibre cloths to buff.

    Seal your freshly polished surface with a good quality wax to protect it which will last several months then need reapplying.

    Use a ceramic paint sealer in place of a wax if you prefer a longer life but you’ll need to be sure you’ve thoroughly prepped the surface first otherwise any imperfections will be locked in under the sealer and the job will look crap.

    There are many more fastidious processes you can follow as well as the above basics and if you are a true beginner when it comes to maintaining or detailing a car to a higher end finish then I suggest you get onto the detailing forums and youtube and start reading and watching the good advice the professionals offer then cater what you learn to suit your own needs.

    There are few if any shortcuts to gaining and maintain a high quality surface on a car.

    Another thing to note is higher end products usually only cost a few dollars more than the cheaper stuff so take note of what the detailers are using and if you can’t see those products at places like Supercheap then check out on-line suppliers like Car Care Products which will offer a much wider range and you can also contact them to ask advice.





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    I’ll just ad to @panhead I find aqua wax excellent to dry the car with just spray it on and wipe off and your adding another layer of protection
     
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    Agreed and detailing sprays to give a bit extra shine by removing any byproduct water marks is also good to have in your arsenal.




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    I have a 2017 black SS Sportswagon and I absolutely HATE washing the damn thing. You've got to wash it every few days too otherwise it looks very shabby.
    I'm getting the Permagard treatment in a few days. A hose & a chamois and guaranteed to look a million bucks. The only problem is the price...
     
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    After a year you’ll probably be very disappointed.

    Ceramic coatings are not what they are advertised to be and need to be well maintained if you wish to retain the shine and protection and a hose and chamois just won’t cut it.

    These coatings do add a layer of protection but they are nowhere near as tough as the manufacturers want you to believe, they still suffer swirls and etching and they are hard to remove when the time comes to do correction work.

    If you read the fine print you’ll also find they also need at a minimum yearly maintenance to enable them to do the job expected of them.

    That’s the short reply.




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    Get rid of your chamois because it’s all but guaranteed to scratch your paint.
    Just use a damp microfibre towel/cloth at a minimum and use a spray wax if that’s not working so good.

    If I haven’t driven my car and it’s covered in dust from sitting in the carport I just hose it off very thoroughly, spray wax and dry with a microfibre cloth and it looks a million bucks.
     
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    I gave my alto grey 've a bit of a spruce up last week . I used a claybar followed by Autoglym super resin polish then Maguire carnuba was then Maguire fast finish which really brings out the shine and is so easy to use. Done the same to the wife's car which is black and the Maguire fast finish really makes it shine.
     
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    What about the nowash products? Pretty much spray polishes such as this
     
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    Good quality carnauba wax is solid not liquid, sounds like Meguiars and probably some of the other cheaper brands is trading on the name carnauba by adding just a small percentage to their product.

    The higher the percentage and the more pure it is the better the wax.
     
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    My car is coated with a ceramic coating and it is more work to maintain over a wax or sealant. If you aren't into correct washing and drying procedures then a coating isn't for you. A wax isn't going to last long at all regardless of quality in my experience. I recommend a spray sealant like CarPro Reload or NOVA JET, they will last longer than a Wax and are much easier to apply :) Check out https://www.waxit.com.au/ they have heaps of quality products and videos to help out.
     
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    How so? Mine is opticoated and it's simple to maintain. Two bucket washing and annual inspection/top up where required and that's about it. Waxes and sealants need to be reapplied every few months whereas a ceramic coating certainly doesn't. The cost of the annual inspection ($185) is more than offset by not having to buy polishes/waxes/sealants etc either
     
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    Our 2.5yo phantom ute had Opticoat and the 1.5yo LMF wagon had Modesta...only because I heard good things about both so thought I would try both. The Modesta guy didn’t push for annual inspections and gave tips on how to care for the paintwork. The lady at Opticoat mentioned the annual inspection but certainly didn’t overly push it - what she did say was that some customers return after 12months and are disappointed that the paintwork is not as shiny..she says most of these cases need little more than a proper clay barring and the shine is back.

    Both companies were very upfront about their coatings not being scratch proof and the need to still care for the paintwork...2 bucket method, microfibre cloths etc. I dare say those with plenty of $$ don’t necessarily care that much for cleaning in between & just go back every year or two and get a full professional detail (not just the annual inspection). If the companies were closer and open on week-ends I would seriously consider the $185 annual inspection but with regular careful cleaning in between I am very happy with the paintwork on both vehicles.
     
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    I am half way through polishing my VE SS.
    I used a very mild cutting compound polish.
    The finish is so smooth and shiny.
    Depth of colour 30% richer.
    Takes out small scratches too.
    Could do it by hand but a taxing job on the arms.
    Buy a cheap electric orbital polisher you wont be sorry.
     
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    I’ve had ceramic coatings on a few cars but I always kept going back to wax which these days is the only coating I use.

    Both wax and ceramics have good and bad points and I understand why people choose the side of the fence that they do when it comes to their preferred coating and I don't have an argument with those that take the ceramic route.

    But as I said I’m a wax man and it has to be a good quality hard carnauba wax and even though it may need to be reapplied several times a year on a daily and once every 10 years on a garage queen, I do love the classic soft lush finish wax provides over the stark optical perfect ceramic coats and for me that alone is worth the extra effort.

    Plus with good quality washing products and careful washing techniques the wax will stay good for much longer.

    This is my E Series & BMW and an old Ute I used to own that I polished with a machine using Menzerna and coated using DODO Juice Supernatural by spreading two thin layers over the paintwork with just my bare fingertips then buffing off between layers.

    They have a walk-in type of finish that only wax can give.



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    Nice photos,nice cars, nice background.
    But most of all nice SHINE !
    Cant send photo,will try later.
     

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