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Discussion in 'LSx Development and Modification' started by DazVYSS, May 6, 2005.

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    I have just come back from a mates ls1 workshop where a customer wanted a pod set up for his stock vuss ute jason decided on a new k&n set up which comes with maf pipe filter and heat sheild .After doing a dyno run with standard air box then bolting on new k&n set up and re dynoing the car made an extra 20 rwhp Jason was pretty amazed as K&N had claimed a 20hp difference I have now found and orderd my set up :)
     
  2. BLACK346

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    Sounds good. Always good to see the results first
    hand. I have just ordered a Uniflow sealed pod
    for mine, I looked at the K&N as well, but it
    didn't appear to be as well sealed. Let us know
    how it goes when installed :)
     
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    I will do, its just good to get some real dyno figures as everybody has opinions but the old dyno(lie detector )is not biased and 20 hp is 20hp i cant wait to get mine .
     
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    Just out of interest, was that 20rwhp on a stock motor?
    Did it include a tune? And more importantly what were
    the torque gains?
     
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    So what parts are included ? Just the k&n filter, maf pipe and heat sheild ?

    Would i get extra hp if i do this to my V6 VN ?
     
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    Kit consists of 4" maf pipe plastic heat shield pod filter all clamps everything needed to fit takes 10 mins not sure on torque gains but i will find out . On a v6 you will probably get about 10hp which still aint bad.
     
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    Any gains would have been from the bigger MAF pipe. The filter/pod would have made little to no difference.
     
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    Where did you find this out? The 4 inch maf pipe
    has been proven over and over to give **** all gain,
    maybe 1kw at best. Sharper throttle response maybe,
    but no big power gains. The pod is supposed to give
    a much larger intake area than even the 2 hole mod
    on the mcai, so maybe thats were the gains in torque
    and power are from. The uniflow one that I have
    purchased also has a lid on it so should keep a lot
    more hot air out hopefully.
     
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    Personally, I think his claim of 20 more rwhp with only a MAF pipe and pod are total BS. In fact, I fail to see how any intake mods could have such a dramatic effect on a completely stock and unopened engine without any form of tune.

    Anyhow, this stuff is basic mathematics: two 90mm holes in your airbox can provide an area of half a litre. That is more air than is able to go through a 100mm MAF pipe, which only really requires an opening capable of supplying 300-odd ml. (Or - as you may have guessed - 100mm!!). If you're keeping the MAF in there, a single 90mm hole can supply more than enough air.

    Back to back dyno runs can vary by as much as 5%, dependant upon the conditions, so I wouldn't put too much faith in those either.
     
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  10. Hhhmmmm...I might have to go and cut a hole in my airfilter box....I have the stock cold air intake bizzzo, that pokes it's snout from the air filter box into the gap in the front chassis, behind the nosecone/front left headlight.....and just get another stock c.a.i. and fit it so it's snout pokes to the other side, nearer the guard/indicator.......it has gottta make a difference.....when I drive,with the window down, I can hear it sucking the air in.....lol...
     
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    When a stock car is put on a dyno and 2 to 3 power runs are recorded then an average is worked out for peak power and then new air filter setup fitted and 3 new power runs done and a new average worked out 20 hp higher reading within 20 mins between first and last dyno run i find this a **** load more accurate than someones personal opinion who obviously cant handle the fact that his two hole mod aint worth two bob .Ask yourself why every high horsepower jap car running big turbos etc somewere in the engine bay you will find a pod filter .
     
  12. got bored just now...so I ripped my airfilter box out, and cleaned all under it...a lot of gunge builds up in little corners!!!! anyway...I spied me sons cold air intake sitting there..... so I cut a hole in my air box...next to the original.....trimmed the tube bizzo back a few inches..( see pic.... the offcut is sitting there...). then a little silastic to bung up the odd gaps....(LOL..)......wipe around with damp finger and cloth...... wait and wait fer it to go off....that will not make it a top performance car, I realise, but for a poor-mans air intake...looks fine to me.....and willl let in a heap more air!!!!! ;)
    just tested it....sounds loooooots quieter!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) ;) ;)
     

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    In actual fact, it is logic. How much can your intake benefit from an opening bigger than 70mm if that is the internal diameter of the MAF?? While the MAF is there, it is going to be a bottleneck regardless of whether you have a pod or flat panel filter.

    In any case, post your before & after dyno sheets and I'll STFU.

    The exact same reason these people get stainless steel exhausts, spoilers, neons, altezza taillights and "sponsor" stickers on their front quarter panels... :rice: :rofl:
     
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    When my kit arrives and gets fitted I will post dyno figures as my car is a stock 5.7 apart from cat back zorst I also have done 2 hole mod with 2x 90 mm pipe so I can give kw before(2 hole) and after (K&N) set up and also an honest opinion of how the car drives I will then give new figures once edit is done.
     
  15. BLACK346

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    Good stuff, can't wait to see the result. Mine is already
    editted, but I am in Darwin now and won't be able to
    get a touch up tune for a while unfortunately.
     
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    maf pipe

    If you remove the stock maf pipe and look inside you will see the bend is moulded to the stright part ,You will see a big lip and the opening is very small at this point
     
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    If you get a sharp stanley blade you can cut a lot
    of that away. I did that a few years back before
    I got my 4 inch pipe.
     
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    Hi black 346 did you go maf or maffless edit and how did you find the power gains.
     
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    Maf Edit at the moment mate, absolutely transformed
    the car. Have you had a look here yet, enough info
    on LS1's too keep you reading for a year (oh and it will
    make you poor) www.ls1.com.au

    A good edit will increase Power and Torque right across
    the rev range, too many people get hooked up on peak
    power figures.
     
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    I have had a look at ls1 forums and will be broke for the next year I will be going maffless edit as I can get it done for $450 but I just need the $$$$$ I will keep you posted.
     

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