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Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by monstar, Aug 15, 2017.

  1. monstar

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    In the lounge at a tyre joint right now thinking stick with Sumitomo but try the Falken range, Azenis FK 453.
    Made in Japan, great reviews on grip, wear no so great but seem good value.
    Anyone try these or the predecessor 452?
    What else for the price?
     
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    I've had them on a C63 for the last 6 months because at the time I couldn't get 245/30R20 fronts and 285/25R20 rears in any other brand from my local supplier.

    They are a follow on to a set of Pirelli P Zeros and Yokohama Advans and so far they are doing a good job on a car that get minimal drive time.

    They hold on tight during tough cornering but it's to early to comment on lifespan.

    I was surprise at how cheap they were as I don't normally buy cheap tyres but in this case I had no choice and I'm happy to say they are well worth the price.



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    I chose Kumho KU39 over FK453 based on it placing higher in two tyre tests done by http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/ It also scored third place in a Wheels or Motor tyre comparison.
     
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    Wow lots of info on that link, thanks. But which review does pit those two together exactly?
     
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    One thing to note with tyre reviews from overseas is here in Australia we prominently use summer tyres and not winter or all weather tyres.

    Keep in that in mind so you know which reviews to check out.

    Also is it true that some manufacturer's make changes to tyre compounds from country to country depending on what suits the local environment best?


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    It has been a while since I read the reviews I know there are a few more reviews comparing the two just have to properly search the site but I found these three just now. The Wheels or Motor Tyre test can be found online somewhere, it too was a few years ago

    http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2014-Auto-Bild-50-Summer-Tyre-Shootout.htm
    http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2013-European-Summer-Sports-Tyre-Test.htm
    http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2012-Autobild-50-Tyre-Braking-Test.htm
     
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    Good point, summer is really high heat, through likes of Durum, Cobar mainly highway with a load. Needless to say dry corrugated and unforgiving.
    One summer I went through a set of Kuhmo KU39 on rear in a couple of weeks, about 8k km. I would consider fronts again though noisy when tread is past halfway.
     
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    Contisportcontact 6, 245/40R19 98Y, $359 each at Jax. I am surprised it is cheaper than the Tyresales at $390 each.
     
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    I've run the falkens on my cars for years(20") good value and grip loved the 452(made in Thailand, was japan) so much stockpiled a few, have heard the 453 is a bit more average but never tried yet

    recently had to get 275's and ended up with kumho KU39 made in korea and seem ok atm.

    Fav is RE003 on my daily VE berlina, got a stupid price on them as tyre joint couldn't sell them the 225 55 17 is a odd size and almost got 40K out of them.
     
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    Yeah, the RE003's are a fantastic tire. I've got +35k out of the rears. Now the for replacement. The fronts look to have at least another 15k left in the. Awesome grip dry or wet, hot or cold. Quiet and they look great too. Plus long life. The best tyres I've ever bought, by a country mile.
     
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    That's good mileage from a performance tyre though it would take me 15 years to get that many kays on one.

    I've tried the S001's and the RE050A's but not the RE003's.

    Where does the RE003 stand as a performance tyre compared to the two I've tried?


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    Yeah hey. I look after my tyres with regular pressure checks. Not much else you can do with staggered rims.
    I don't think I've tried the S001?Maybe years ago? But, compared to the RE050, the RE003 is a better performance tyre. Now, I cant quote comparative test data lol. But, the RE003 has a far more aggressive block tread patrern a stronger casing for lateral load demands and weight transfer tolerance during heavy breaking and cornering. It's certainly got more grip and lasted a out the same as RE050's.
    There's a good review and comparison to the
    Michelin Pilot Sport 3, Continental ContactSports, Pirelli P Zeros below. The RE003 outperformed all in all categories from memory.
    http://speednation.com.au/testing-tyres-bridgestone-potenza-re003/
     
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    o_O liking the Sumi Falken Azenis 453 up front, see how they wear. If they last six months I'll be happy (25-30k km).
    Of course rears next, might get them what'd you pay for 275 fitted?
     
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    From the bridgestone site S001 v's the REO50, think the S001 main difference is runflat

    I'm surprised out of the kms I've got on my daily at 39k atm and probally another 5k to go(yes only 225/55R17's) but worth every cent paid $150 for each tyre fitted they were old stock at the time dated week 14 of 2014 got them in dec 15. The tyre outlet just wasn't selling that size(he was hoping for a wrx to come in)
     
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    I saw just the other day that RE050A come in run flat too BTW.
     
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    They're not cheap. I forget the cost of the rears. But 4 cost me about $1400 fitted and balanced with nitrogen. Whole of life cost is good though. Personally, tyres are one replaceable itme I won't skimp on. The inherent safety of your car is only as good as the tyres.
     
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    Cuda you’ve posted a link to review from a track day arranged by Bridgestone so I would consider that to be compromised.

    I also read other reviews to do with that same track day other than the one posted by Speed Nation and none divulge the name of the competitor’s tyre or tyres that was used for comparison but from other reviews there was mention that the main focus of the day was to show the new RE003 was an improvement on the outgoing RE002.

    A photo from the drive day comparison:

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    Below is a graph comparison to the RE002 from the Bridgestone Website which also has a number of videos posted above this graph featuring Jack Perkins and Jonathon Webb for the same track day comparison as that shown in the Speed Nation link:

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    It doesn’t mean the RE003 isn’t a good street tyre and great value for money as most comments do back that up but it’s out of its league with the higher end products.

    For example it has a speed rating of 270 km/h where the new Pirelli P Zero has a rating of 370 km/h with the Bridgestone S001 and RE050A, the Michelin Pilot sport 4S, The Continental SportContact 6 and the Falken FK453 all rated at or over 300km/h,

    A silly comparison I know if you take into account most cars are speed limited to suit the RE003 anyway.

    The other thing I noticed is the grooves in the higher end tyres are usually much wider to allow quicker water dispersal than those in RE003 tread pattern.


    Bridgestone RE003

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    Bridgestone S001

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    Bridgestone RE050A

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    Continental SportContact 6

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    Michelin Pilot Sport 4S

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    Falken AZenis 453

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    Pirelli P Zero - classic style

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    Pirelli P Zero - new style

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    I've tried a lot of different brands and I must say other than the sticky quick wearing tyres which give little value for money if you're on a budget I don't rate many tyres very highly.

    I've always been a hard judge and tend to fit those with the most wet/dry grip for my family's safety.

    Those tyres of course offer very limited wear and I'm lucky to get 10,000ks out of a set of rears which in my case doesn't matter as the cars are low mileage so I will get and easy 6 plus years out of them.

    I do like to throw cars through tight corners and when sticky tyres are teamed with a good suspension package it makes for exhilarating driving while staying within the speed limits.


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    That's true the RE050A do come in run flats as I have them fitted on my BMW because they are the OEM tyre and are tuned to the OEM suspension.

    I've also had S001 on a couple of cars and they are also available with or without run flat technology.


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    That's why I like the Re003s I drive Adelaide hills afew times a week to take lad to sports and love the grip even in a daily and with near 40K on them the tread is right down and few downpoors in Adelaide recently and grips like **** toa blankets still in the wet.

    Rate them above reo50's easy but it comes down to price/value

    Interesting to see what monstar gets out of the FK453's as I loved the fk452 and get around 25>30K max on them.
     
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    Thanks for the awesome write up Panhead. Re the link. I just did a quick Google. It's clearly biased hey.
    So, for those of us whom do say 15-20k a year. Is there another tyre you would recommend mate?
     

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