Juzza, you certainly opened a can of worms. You should know that you can not have a friendly, intelligent debate with out personal sniping, when you place religion in it. Same as one-eyed Holden or Ford supporters.:hit: Personally I do not believe in religion or a God. Too many times you see wars started along religious lines, yet they preach love thy neighbour. A lot of religions preach that theirs is the only true religion. Some religions have a fanatical element that takes things too far. ( Maybe only 1% but it is there). Look at the situation over the years in Northern Ireland. And I am not talking about the English but the Catholics against the Protestants. I therefore can not follow any particular religion. I have my own set of values and that includes treating others how I would like to be treated by them. A lot of religions preach these as well. I will not discourage or denigrate anyone who believes in a religion. That is their choice. Whether they chose it or were brought up with it via family. And how many people on here vote for a political party just because their parents did/do? I may ask you what and why questions about your beliefs, but that is so I may better understand them. Please just do not try to force your beliefs on me. Mal Oh and if anyone wants to read a little bit about a lot of religions of all types, go to http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/index.htm
i saw this video just before and it reminded me of this thread, funny ****. http://www.break.com/index/hannityloon.html
Jesus was a Jew. He preached Judism so now people preach about Jesus preaching Judism. lol, that almost makes sense.
just thought I'd throw a few quotes from the bible to get the ladies out there in on the issue. "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." ahh lovely. (any topic requests and I'll see what I can find. Don't want to insult any Christians but it's from the Bible so you can't complain.)
Can I get some opinions on why Evolution isn't accepted by alot of people? I look back and I can see how it could have happened. The evidence is right there in front of you and you don't have to look at it in depth. Without even thinking about dates, You can see how 1 single celled micro-organism can evolve over a lot of time, with the right environment. Then all you have to do is look back, you can see the other animals that existed and have disappeared. I believe we are always evolving, each generation is evolving. The fact that we have evolved is easy to see, why we don't have the same race, how we have black, we have white, we have yellow, we have red, we have fat people we have skinny people. Hotter, Colder, we do adapt to our environment. I believe its possible that we came from apes, but I think if we did, then the apes went to one location and we went to another. We adapted for our environment, they adapted to living in the jungle. I saw a post saying that we adapt our environment to suit us, not the other way around these days. I guess that’s because we've reached a point where we've become that intelligent, we can provide our own shelter, get food delivered to us, get sheltered from the outdoors. I guess that could be another reason why we haven't evolved so much over the past few hundred years. I'm sure that if we lost our houses, lost our grocery stores and our money- had to live from the land without common shelter, I'm sure we'd see a lot of changes aside from the obvious. Rant over..
Pretty much what I believe Bax, and about continually evolving.. I agree, imagine in 1000 years when we're so weak because robots do everything for us (build houses, fix cars), everything intensive and all we do maintain them and work on computers or whatever.. it sounds unreal, but look how far we've come in 100 years (flight, cars). We'll probably all be wiped out by some new disease as well because we're using medicine to overcome everything these days, immune systems don't know what to do :\. vx2chopper - Just goes to show how things have changed, back then that was pretty much common place.. today thankfully it's a lot different, and woman have rights (hey, I'm a feminist )
quotes re: martin luther king's quote "Science investigates, religion interprets. Science gives man knowledge which is power, religion gives man wisdom which is control." the only reason that this is seen as such a great comment is because those who believe it is true, believe in religion themselves... i reckon hes kinda onto something, just worded it wrong. "power implies knowledge, life gives you wisdom, which religion only tries to control" - Mukas - 12.05.06 irrespective of what anyone says, their opinion is bias, one way or the other in regard to religion. "I have always believed religion is for those who are not strong enough to believe in themself and their decisions, needing God's guidance and support to get through each day. I fail to see how some non existant entity can help me or take advice and comfort from a book that may have been written for a laugh by a bunch of bored people." - Sashyre i am in 100% aggreance with that, its what i see as the bottom line in this argument. not taking anything away from those who choose to believe, go for it kids, but.... how can one honestly believe that there is a "God" based purely on the fact that some bloke a couple of thousand years ago wrote a book saying so. i believe more in the gods like thor n zues n **** like that than one "almighty saviour" that will give you guidance and strength. im not against religion, i just struggle to fathom how people can devote their life to a 'theory' based on what one person decided was right... respect it coz you know its true...
Add to DNA! How about one reason of many. For the Theory of Evolution to work, it would need DNA to be able to evolve by adding additional information. All the examples of so-called "evolution", such as single colour budgies being developed/evolved from the previous multi-coloured, show that the change has been generated by deleting genetic information, i.e. DNA, not adding to it. There has never been any evidence that DNA "grows". The evidence is that it can only lose genetic information, not grow additional information. There are some people who see the "Theory of Evolution" as the modern equivalent of the "Flat Earth Theory". Sure, there are others that see it at the other extreme, as absolute fact. My position is one of scepticism. I have been an academic, and have been taught to question things. I have never found conclusive proof to support the "Theory of Evolution". I have seen a number of fraudulent adaptions of information presented as so-called "proof", particularly in biology textbooks. IMHO, it also takes "Faith" to believe in the "Theory of Evolution". I guess that makes it another "religion" in my view. However, feel free to believe what you want to.
interesting I suppose when you think of it that way, having faith in something automatically makes a religion? In that case, i have faith in the fact that i am going to have a good night on the 26th may at Pharmacy because of the dj's that are playing, does that make me religious? or does that make dance music a religion? (i think not) IM(not-so)HO religion is the belief in a "God(s)" and a way of life that is followed by others that believe solely in that way of life and the events that have led up to the current interpretation of that given religion. Religion was created to give those who believe in it reasons for existence and personal development. Doing something out of faith doesnt neccessarily make it the right thing to do. Ive found that most religious ppl put their chosen religion before reality, therefore separating themselves from the community common. in doing this it driving a further wedge between believers and non believers and hence the reason that all of us are crapping on about whether or not we believe in religion. Religion exists, no doubt, there is the bible and the koran etc, i just choose not to believe in the **** they wrote in them... cmon, water into wine....i wish, walking on water...good luck...miraculous conception....yeah right!!! P.S. Do those who follow the catholic faith believe in the prophecies of Nostradamas. Will start new thread on this one
The most murderous regime in history was devoutly athiest. It indescriminately persecuted and murdered millions of all faiths because they had religious beliefs. It killed many times more than the Crusades and even several times more than the Nazis. If Roman Catholicism is to be held responsible for the Spanish Inquisition, then by the same logic atheism should be held responsible for Stalinist Russia. The truth is religion is rarely if ever the cause of that kind of evil - it is the excuse. The motivation for those wars is always greed for power or land - with religion (including atheism) the scapegoat used to justify it by evil men. Take the Bosnia conflict, a supposed religious war between Serb Orthodox, Roman Catholics (Croatia) and Muslims. Bullsh!t! It was about nationalist groups wanting power and land at the expense of others. The fact that they defined themselves by their religious backgrounds was irrelevant. It was a bunch of Bosnian Serbs who never go to church, fighting a bunch of Bosnian Croats who never go to church, fighting a bunch of Bosnian Muslims who never go to the mosque.
NO.... lol..... it would be like a group of people, in 200 years time picking up a copy of harry potter and forming a belief based on a wizard child. we are already seeing how people will beleive well written books by how the DiVinci Code is panning out. Lots of what's in that book is bullshit, but its interesting, it makes people think, and now, you have people who wholeheartly believe that what Dan Brown says is true. Thats what happened with the bible. it was a VERY well written fiction book.
seriously, pick one. was he religeous or was he not. I'm not having a go at you bangers, but please, stick you your own argument.
how was saying he's jew by blood mean he's a specific religion? All i said was he's jew but wasn't religious, as in he wasn't into the religion at the time. thats clearly evident in the bible. He had a relationship with God and went to church to study and pray. doesn't mean he was religious ie agree with the churches of his time.
Some religious believers grew up in a religious family and had the beliefs of that religion taught to them and practiced on a daily basis, so that when they reach adulthood they continue with their beliefs. Some would fall by the wayside after breaking away from their community and discovering religion is controlling and restricting. Sadly in some cases the families will turn their back on them believing they have sold out to the devil and are now evil. Others grow up and find themselves in a mess, be that a drug addiction, life of crime or just socially retarded. This group of people will often be 'saved' by religion as during a period of transistion where they want to turn themselves around but are struggling between conforming with societys rules or continuing their rebelious life. A person with religious beliefs comes along and spends larges amounts of time talking to them and evenutally the confused, unhappy person caves and converts. For instance how often have you seen documentaries of people jailed for crimes who whilst incarcerated turned to religion? Not a bad thing really if it makes them a better person, but a good non-religious councellor could also turn them around without turning them into bible bashers, finding something else to believe in - themself. Then you get groups like Scientologists who pray on the vunerable ones in society. Standing in city streets they are trained to pick those walking along who look like the perfect victim. Most of us if approached by a scientologist offering a personality test would tell them to get stuffed and keep walking. However if you are a person who lacks confidence in yourself and your abilities to make the right choices your gone. Cults are fascinating, how one person can control the minds of a large group of people to the point of initiating a mass suicide is mind blowing. The followers will do anything the person in power commands them to, including signing over all their assets and worldly goods. Those who have been kidnapped from these cults have endured weeks of deprogramming by specialists before they return to normal thinking. These people must be weak of mind to allow themselves to be conned into these cults. C.
