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Removing the sump on the 3.8 V6

Discussion in 'VT - VX Holden Commodore (1997 - 2002)' started by Aussie Trev, Feb 5, 2019.

  1. Aussie Trev

    Aussie Trev Member

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    Hi all.
    I had a visit from a very large rock on a country road and smashed the sump open on my VX11. I have the Gregorys how to but the diagram for the sump bolts bears no resemblance to how it looks under the car so I am just wondering if anyone would have a picture of a sump off the engine so I can see how many bolts there are and where they are located. It is difficult trying to see them laying under the car.
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    on a 3.8 about 18 bolts. On a 3.6 about 13 bolts. Look allong the sump flange to locate.( ? Can it be removed and refitted with engine in you need to establish.
     
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    Thanks. According to the manual raising the engine 40mm enables the sump to be removed on the 3.8. Seems it is the only engine choice where that is a possibility. It's just trying to find where the bolts are, along the front especially with that large extension on the sump, that is making it hard for an old bloke that isn't that good at crawling around under cars as they used to be.
     
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    The reference l have shows only 3 bolts at the front. 7 along each side. 2 holes or locations at the back but not numbered. Cant copy pic due to copywrite.
     
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    Easier to just pull the motor out n do the sump. Its an ecotec not an alloytec. Alloytecs require the engine n box to be removed in one
     
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    This picture of the sump gasket should help you locate the bolts
    V6 sump gasket.jpg

    And here is a picture of the sump:

    V6 sump.jpg
     
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    Agreed the pic would explain alot
     
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    Thanks for that guys. Why someone thought putting three bolts in behind the harmonic balancer that cannot be access with anything other than a ring spanner that has no room to move more than about an 1/8 turn at a time was a good idea is beyond me.
     
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    If I had the gear to pull the engine I might be tempted. As it is I am taking the sump off my old VT parts car to replace the shattered sump on my VX11 so would have to pull both engines and I'm not as young or as rich as I used to be. :)
     
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    G'day AussieTrev

    How did you end going with the job? I've read on the the forums here, that you will have to undo and move the steering rack to get the sump out as well, is that true?
     
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    Hi jhvh. No you don't have to move the steering rack although it would make access to a few of the sump bolts easier. As long as you have a small socket set (1/4" drive) with a universal joint adaptor you can undo and replace all the bolts without too much drama except the three along the front in behind the balancer which I accessed using a ratchet ring spanner. You do need to remove the wiring harness for the starter motor which is mounted to the front of the sump with two bolts that are in a mongrel of a position. For more details see my showcase item, It's alive.
     

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