whilst this isn't entirely on topic, its to do with unions. I don't know what they think that striking will achieve. The members lose a day (or more) pay, they inconvenience the public, and yet expect empathy. I know the sentiment of those I associate with in regards to the strike. They don't think bloody lousy govt. or lousy employer give them a pay rise they deserve it. People tend to think eg. bloody lazy teachers get back to work. I think strikes often does more harm than good.
My wife is also a teacher in a Catholic primary school and totally agree!!! I still rib her about the leave she gets though! :yeah: Reckon the IR laws are bad? If you work in the catholic education system and have a sexual relationship out of wedlock you can be sacked. If you live with a partner before marriage, you can be sacked. If you have a child out of wedlock, you can be sacked.
I dont know if some of you understand what the rally was for. It wasnt a 'We want more money' rally. It was a 'we want to keep our rights' rally. "I help run our family buisness which employs 20 odd blokes. Not one of them has been asked to sign anything as far as the IR agreements are concerned, they are happy with their wages and conditions. You do the right thing by your workers which is supposedly what the unions are about but when you go near a union site to work with the proper cards(red card ect.) the bastards still haggle you to death about joining. They are a waste of time and money imo, i would NEVER join a union, my brother joined 15 years ago and has seen a union rep once in that time, 2 weeks after he joined." It mainly effects large buisnesses not small ones. I didnt go to the rally because I am an apprentice and I was not allowed. But all of the maintenance crew did. They are hard working and generally smart blokes. While the laws dont effect us yet we are in fear that our employer could and might screw us over in the future. And Minux dont give me this 'but if you worked hard your employer will treat you well' crap. Some employers dont give a s**t about their employees. I wont say where I work but its a big place that employs about 15 apprentices every year. This year out of 12 4th year apprentices only 2 are going to get jobs. Yet there are parts where they are in desperate need of tradies. Contractors are being brought in more and more. Is this fair?
Not Quite Convinced Yet! I am probably getting splinters sitting on the fence on this one. My final judgement will be based on the outcomes I see over a period of time. On the side of minux, I agree that most employers value the good workers and would not intentionally shaft them if there were other options. Yes, there will be those who abuse the new rules. Why would you want to work for them? Over time, their attitude will mean they lose good staff and can only attract lesser staff as their reputation gets around. They will probably get their "just rewards" at some time. However, I do think that there will be some who are unfairly treated and don't have "escape" options. I do feel concern for them. But my experience is that there are employers who mistreat staff on awards anyhow, and those who will be caught by the new IR laws are probably the same as will be unfairly taken advantage of no matter what the law says. At this time, I lean towards the work hard and persevere agrument and over the long run you will reap the rewards. It seems potentially much better for the common good than some of my past union dealings with the Painters and Dockers Union.
minux - point one: Don't make the assumption I'm uneducated simply because I have a **** job point two: DOn't compare your life to mine, we have very little, if anything, in common
Indeed it does, but my wages are increased per year, bonuses are excellent and salary package is even better, i have 0 reason to leave.
Well if you were better educated you surely would have a better job, if you had better experience(again a form of education) you would have a better job, i find it hard to beleive that one stays in a **** job simply because they want to? I am very thankful this, i wouldn't trade my life so far for anything, i've travelled to everywhere nationally and internationally that i have ever wanted to, i have served in 2 conflicts on the front line, i have a great gf(soon to be fiance) i own my house and mortgage others, i have the cars i enjoy. I worked my ass off for my life and i am happy about that. So i am defiantly glad we do not have anything in coomon.
then you wont get shafted by the IR laws for 5 years i bet your in middle management where you get to treat the workers like **** while sucking up to the CEO's. BTW i'm a subcontractor so these laws don't really affect me but i support all in the workforce affected by these scumbag laws
Is it just me or would anyone else like to know exactly where they stand with these changes without the union & govt propaganda?
I don't treat any of my workers like ****, i treat them the exact same way as i would like to be treated. If they require to leave an hour early all i ask is they make it up another day, i don't keep tabs on them, providing their kpi's and work are at an acceptable standard i have no need to act any differently. As for CEO's, i only deal with our CSO, the CEO's are a bunch of tools. i also find that my approach is pretty much the standard across our division of the company between managers.
greengopher, for the record, my aim is to make my job and others i have working with me redundant over the next 5 years by implementing better management processes to reduce required workforce positions. After 2 years i plan having half the staff i do now, after 4 years it will be halved again. This is the strategy people need to take, work to take yourself out of a job, you will be amazed at the job opportunities that can come along because of this belief
now your support for these "workplace reforms" is starting to make sense now they've come in you've got yourself a real cushy job now haven't you?
define cushy? most weeks i am not at home, i am in a motel somewhere at night. Last week i flew from avalon to sydney, that same night i flew to brisbane, spent a day there then flew back to avalon. I work very hard, some days i do 13-14 hours, without working hard i couldn't make myself redundant. My support for these reforms has nothing to do with my position. I see first hand how hard it is for employers to get rid of non trainable personnel, people who are plain lazy or people who do not mesh into the workforce. For me the greatest satisfaction will be going to my outside adviser and saying, well i have got all the processes i need in place to make this job 1 person per state without any overseer. When that happens, i will find myself another place to go with some excellent credentials behind me and start again.
so your greatest satisfaction in life is to put people out of work? and if you are so great at your job why would you need an outside adviser?
Show me one large company who doesn't use outside business managers? These people are put in place simply because it is cheaper to hire their services then hire them internally. My satisfaction has nothing to do with putting people out of work, it has to do with minimising what a company needs to spend, if that means people lose their job then so be it, that is something i cannot help. In an era of streamlining business for maximum profit this is destined to happen.
