Smoking ban 'trend' in Victoria.

your right, but id rather see solutions then whinging
but ad up all that GST and so on, and thats a fair bit, isnt it like a billion dollar business per year. a hit of a few million that is a once off, which saves alot of peoples health is better then the millions it would cost to public health due to implecations of 2nd hand smoke.
lets graffiti artists paint the walls etc. let them decorate it.

thats 3 birds one stone.
Tafe construction, Smoking out of publicish areas, and an area that graffiti that can be allowed.

as for how they are scattered, im not sure. it would depend on sizes etc

but like i said, id rather see solutions made then just ban it, and have more people whinge.

 

The general public still believe that 9/11 was an Al-Qaeda deal. The public will believe what it's told, lol.

The fact of the matter has already been stated; the government will do all in it's power to appear to be the good guy, but it relies on smokers for the revenue. Hence the increased tax on cigarettes, I believe.

It's a double edged sword. The government wants you to quit to keep the health neo-Nazis happy, but they don't want you to quit because of the revenue. Who cares? Keep smoking, I say.

 

To be fair, aren't you saying that from a smokers perspective? ie, almost unable to even smell cigarette smoke? Most of the smokers I know can't smell it. Everyone around them sure as hell can.

And to soop; I was sensitive to smoke as a child because of my asthma. Are you trying to tell me that tracy grimshaw and the ACA brigade managed to convince me that smoke is bad for asthmatics before I watched anything other than cartoons? Just because you don't understand it, does not mean it is not true. You would have heard about people dying very quickly from smoke inhalation. In the process, they cough and splutter a lot. Why? Because they are inhaling smoke. Before you say it's because they aren't breathing oxygen in, that's not true. Yes, that would kill them, but it doesn't close their airways. Smoke agitates the airways in large amounts in most, if not all people. Asthmatics are even more sensitive, and less smoke can trigger the airways to tighten.

If you still refuse to consider the possiblity that smoke can trigger asthma, then that's your choice. I will not be posting on the subject again as I know for a fact that it can trigger it, to different extents in different people.

 

That's a matter of opinion. Sitting behind a diesel bus in peak hour... Don't tell me they don't stink.

 

pfffft... Julie has it spot on and the smokers that whinge about being addicted, you can choose to stop. It's not rocket science. It's a CHOICE YOU HAVE. Your body doesn't smoke cigarettes on its own. My parents went from being pack a day (or MORE!) smokers to nothing overnight (literally) after they both decided it was quite simply the most disgusting and un-healthy thing any human CHOOSES to do. Not to mention costing a fortune.

Regardless of what ANYONE says, smoking is quite simply one of the stupidest things in the world. There is nothing positive that comes from it AT ALL.

As for the comments regarding taxes, the medical costs incurred by the government treating smoking caused/related illness is FAR MORE than the taxes the government collects from the sale of cigarettes.

So, bottom line, IF YOU'RE A SMOKER, KILL YOURSELF IN THE PRIVACY OF YOUR OWN HOME.

/end thread

 

Eh, the fact is. Its a personal choice, the smoker chooses to smoke, you can choose to up and leave.

If we banned everything because someone else doesn't like it everything would be illegal.

 

No, no its not.
Totally agree Minux.

 

Fact is, the only reason its not socially acceptable any more is because the media has demonised it.
It can cause cancer... So can going to the beach but we still beg tourists to do that.

The argument that you get nothing out of it is moot. It's not up to someone else to decide what I benefit from (I don't smoke once again). If someone likes smoking go for it. If I have a problem, I have two legs.

 

i personally dont smoke and beleave these laws are a set forward. i can handle being around smokers, many of my mates smoke. these guys are kind enough to move down wind of me. i have never asked them to do it but they do it anyway. thats called being considerate. sure smokeing in pubs and clubs makes the place stink and it was great when it was banned inside, i still go outside with my mate when they go for a smoke because we are there as a group and in the open air its ok.

but there are only time it bothers me is when i am eating. i dont care who you are or what your story is, food and smoking do not go together.PERIOD.

one thing that lepht93 has left out when saying all the great tax benifits to our ecconomy due to smoker. he forgot to mention the drag on the public health system with the smoking induced illnesses, and no not just cancer because that can be linked to everything although it does increase your chances, but respiratory dissease, heart dissease to name a few. in the grand scheme of things id be happy to have all smokes banned and have an increase in income tax.

there is my 10c worth

 

If I have a problem, the smoker has a problem............ and they better be ready for it! And there's always plenty of support from people nearby when I tell them to gtfo and so far not a single one of the dirty bastards has kept smoking (or if they do they leave).

If they're there before me (cafe etc) I just go somewhere else. But if I'm there first - that's THEIR problem, not mine (or anyone else already enjoying a smoke free environment).

 

Problem is, if you ban smoking because its bad for your health, then why not ban Alcohol because it's linked to so much violence and other health problems?
You don't gain anything from alcohol either, and if you walk past a pissed wanker at 3am in the morning its almost 50/50 as to whether or not you get in a punch on.

But then, no one whinges about Alcohol. And the very few that do, get crucified.

LOL, go troll somewhere else, it doesn't work here anymore!

 

That's not trolling. It's voicing my opinion and explaining how I react.