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Discussion in 'VE Holden Commodore (2006 - 2013)' started by geo41e, Dec 11, 2010.

  1. Lumps of cheese

    Lumps of cheese welcome to the machine

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    They are an awesome car. A guy that lives around here has one and i drool everytime i see it, plus it sounds excellent.
    I'd have one if the funds allowed me to for sure. :)
     
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    TinSnips Polish all the things...

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    One other point of difference would be how the power is put to the road. The merc has substantially more grip than a (stock) commodore. Again, it's all just to do with how much you want to spend - but you'd have plenty of change from the merc's price tag if you were to warm a commy up to those specs, that's for sure. Underneath all the AMG mumbo, it's german luxo-barge, turned into a muscle car. It's no stripped out hypercar by any stretch. So definitely achievable.
     
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    WogBoyz 435rkw/590rwhp

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    Holden should put a heap of devlopment in the 6L like ford did with the turbo 6, so much potential to be had with the L98
     
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    you'd see the ls3 in the SS before they did any dramatic improvments to the l98. GenV is coming in a few years so probably not worth it, Holden/HSV are addicted to crate engines.
     
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    No point really. GM is developing a DI V8. I can't see them injecting much cash into the L98 before that is released. I think GM is spending in the vicinity of $900mUS in the GenV development so I don't think much more will be done to the L98 before they kill it off.
     
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    haha.. great minds
     
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    ahhh kk makes sense lol this di v8 is this gunna be a 5L like the new ford v8?
     
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    I don't think they're releasing details yet, but it's likely to be smaller than the current one so it meets emission regulations. Unclear if it will be forced induction or not also. No doubt there will be at least be forced induction variants like there is now, with the corvette motors.
     
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    Why would displacement effect the emission's regulation. Wouldn't the emission's be varied based on the size of the motor. Else we would all be forced to drive 2cyl 250cc smart cars.
     
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    They are varied - but the current motor is only approved under Euro4 standards due to the AFM system in the autos. I'm not sure what the deal is with the manuals. I just know that ford had to do something drastic (hence coyote) as their 5.4 didn't make the emissions cut. I don't really delve too far into all this ecomentalist crap as it bores me to tears!
     
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    hahahaha, ill give ya that one!
     
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    I'd be guessing 5.2l no reason other then GM HAS TO be bigger then Ford lol. The coyote is DI capable also. But will be a few years old by the time GenV comes along
     
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    GM will probably just go a DI version of the L98 like they did with the Alloytec.
     
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    i have to say....
    i think the only reason holdens are using the crate motors are mainly down to price...
    however..
    it would be awsome to have a new tech v8 enginer..with over head cams...DI...and variable valve timin...
    for a slightly higher price..OR....make it exclusive for the HSV range

    I mean SS have similar engines to the HSV in terms of technology....
    theres not much difference in em except for displacement...and maybe bigger/stringer/lighter parts here and there.

    If holden brought out a HSV range with a difference enginer/tech...i would buyy one rather than the SSV/SS
    no point in buying a HSV just to have difference clothes and shoes when u really want a difference heart.

    holden...MAKE YOUR HSV SPECIAL !!!
     
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    UFO I Believe

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    I'm still holding my breath for a turbo 6 to compete directly with the other mob.

    Doesnt have to be a v8 killer, just a small turbo 6... so it' still economical most of the time, but got some balls when you need it.
     
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    yeah my g/f dad has a CL55 AMG, its just phenominal when he puts his foot down, whats even better is when he hits the brakes.... its like having your face ripped off, on the upside is he wants to use my ute for a day so ive offered him a swap for the day, series II sv6 for a CL55 AMG, I'd call that fair....although I think I'm more likely to end up with the Lexus in return, he doesnt even let his wife drive it......and as much as I love my Holden, I have to say that I dont think Holden will ever be quite on par with the Mercs, so much so, if you want to know what cars will be like and have fitted as standard in 5-10 years time.... look at todays top range Mercs
     
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    You'll be pleasently surprised soon enough. TT 3.0 DI for Holden and TT 3.6l DI for HSV. From what a few people over on ls1 reckon.
     
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    Holden have been toying with the idea of a TT Alloytec for about 10yrs. Anyone remember the Torana concept?
     
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    GenV is coming along, new engine designs and concepts are on the cards, I think theres a very good chance, after this years TT3.6l DI in a Camaro, looks promising.
     
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    Yea that would have been awesome......
     

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