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It's electronic throttle lag Holden suffers from, across the range... Since the VZ when Holden went to electronic throttle it's been very noticeable. They've reduced it a lot since the VZ but it's still not great.
 

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Ah ok that explains all, but one would think holden would of dealt with this sort of matter...
 

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end of the day...

...Holden needs to move away from the LS(x) technology and start lookin forward.
the eninge has served holden many years and was great, but really need to jump into the game with everybody else..which is..TECHNOLOGY !
 

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Spoken like someone who has absolutely no experience in the 4.0 I6T. The full 533Nm of torque is available from 1800rpm or so, right through to just past 4000rpm. There is no lag!

And spoken by someone who only THINKS they understand the industry. Any Holden Turbo sales will DEFINITELY eat into V8 sales. People who don't want performance aren't going to buy a Turbo so there's not really much of a new market to capture. The turbo offers people who like performance a more efficient option than the Holden V8. If it didn't I wouldn't have a 4.0 I6T, I'd have a Holden V8.
spoken like a true bullshit artist mate read the post properly the large v8 has the turbo off the line every single time the I6T comes into its own further down the line and storms home.
not to even bring in to account the standard rubber on the FPV V HSV.
dont get you knickers in a twist there is absolutly no such thing as zero turbo lag its physicaly impossable the enginge has to burn fuel to produce gass that gass has to the travel to a turbo wheel the gas then hits the wheel and compresses to the point where it starts to make the wheel turn causing the compressor wheel to turn creating friction in the intake air which then compresses as the wheel speeds up this is then forced in to the engine incressing the combustion pressure and starts all over again. to make this lag free is impossible.
the I6T simply compensates by having a large displacment that produces a good amount of torque whilst this is happening so lage is non apparent. the lag on theses engins is not very much as they have a relativly small wheel in the turbo and a lot of gas flowing to it. a TT V6 would be so vastly different you could not compair them
 

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spoken like a true bullshit artist mate read the post properly the large v8 has the turbo off the line every single time the I6T comes into its own further down the line and storms home.
not to even bring in to account the standard rubber on the FPV V HSV.
dont get you knickers in a twist there is absolutly no such thing as zero turbo lag its physicaly impossable the enginge has to burn fuel to produce gass that gass has to the travel to a turbo wheel the gas then hits the wheel and compresses to the point where it starts to make the wheel turn causing the compressor wheel to turn creating friction in the intake air which then compresses as the wheel speeds up this is then forced in to the engine incressing the combustion pressure and starts all over again. to make this lag free is impossible.
the I6T simply compensates by having a large displacment that produces a good amount of torque whilst this is happening so lage is non apparent. the lag on theses engins is not very much as they have a relativly small wheel in the turbo and a lot of gas flowing to it. a TT V6 would be so vastly different you could not compair them

:rofl:

Launch control holds the revs in my car at 1800rpm with the turbo spooled and ready to go. That equals ZERO lag and all 533Nm of torque ready for take off! Learn what you're talking about BEFORE you post. Otherwise you run the risk of looking, well, silly... Rear grip is the only grip I have when comparing my FORD to a HSV. But Holden have no more than I do so meh. I've had the Holden L98 6 litre and the HSV LS2 6 litre. The I6T beats both imo, hence I have one.
 

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im sorry i didndt realise you had launch control ready to go all the time must be a bitch to drive like that in real world. since when have they fitted launch control to XR's anyway?

and as usual you act like a ignorant child as to the actual argument at hand never has this been a v8 V turbo the whole point is that they are different beast to drive and a TTV6 is in no way comparable to the I6T or holden V8.

And im still to be impressed by your 4L turbo that has comparable preormance to the 2.5's nissan was playing with years ago.yes its a great engine with a lot of potential but there is nothing special or talented im making a 4L turbo go like F**K its not fancy or brilliant technology. no one has argued if it is a better preformance car or not but they are no v8 will never drive or behave like one.

and in the real world cubes will beat turbo untill turbo kicks in lets get the focus of you and your love of self indulgent one upmanship you are not the only turbo owner out there and i coldnt give a **** what wet dreams you have about burning of the lights with you launch control.

if you cant engage in a technical discussion around the principles then dont bother we have all heard you spruking your XR and we still dont care.
when we start a thread called my cars better than CSP's XR then you call roll out your crap but were not playing that game today.
so either start a thred to argue weather I6T or V8 is better and stop hijacking every second thread with your crap or just get off your mines better than yours soap box and shut up
 
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im sorry i didndt realise you had launch control ready to go all the time must be a bitch to drive like that in real world. since when have they fitted launch control to XR's anyway
and as usual you act like a ignorant child as to the actual argument at hand never has this been a v8 V turbo the whole point is that they are different beast to drive and a TTV6 is in no way comparable to the I6T or holden V8.
And im still to be impressed by your 4L turbo that has comparable preormance to the 2.5's nissan was playing with years ago.yes its a great engine with a lot of potential but there is nothing special or talented im making a 4L turbo go like F**K its not fancy or brilliant technology. no one has argued if it is a better preformance car or not but they are no v8 will never drive or behave like one.
and in the real world cubes will beat turbo untill turbo kicks in lets get the focus of you and your love of self indulgent one upmanship you are not the only turbo owner out there and i coldnt give a **** what wet dreams you have about burning of the lights with you launch control.
if you cant engage in a technical discussion around the principles then dont bother we have all heard you spruking your XR and we still dont care.
when we start a thread called my cars better than CSP's XR then you call roll out your crap but were not playing that game today.
so either start a thred to argue weather I6T or V8 is better and stop hijacking every second thread with your crap or just get off your mines better than yours soap box and shut up

Spoken like someone with plenty of ignorance,lack of Ford knowledge.

Go for a drive in a FG XR6T and tell me its like a Skyline,if you still do ill keep shaking my head I guess....Apples and toothpaste them two.

I cant beleive I even replied to your diatribe,attack people's posts and expect to sit back and not get a shirty response,I think not.

Launch control ready to go all the time,must be a pig to drive.....please.Someones been offended by the I6's abillity,GO THE FORD,Says the Holden man.
 

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the XR is nothing like a Skyline never said that. i have driven both and they were both great in very very different ways. I do love driving the XRturbos infact they are a blast.

i spoke only of the engine outputs a 2.5T putting out 300oddKW is imperssive a turbo 4L not so much. i have taken great care to avoid making claims on either holden or ford or any other manufacture and simple speak of enging capacity and turbo or not if you wish to atribute theses to curtin cars that is a choice for you im not pushing it on ya

i drive a hilux and a V6 i dont care that the IGT is faster than them not offended just not as impressed as some its easy to make a 4L go fast with a turbo i know of a XE that have been Turbo'd putting out 500kw. but a TTV6 as stated before wont be anything like a I6T or a V8 if this is ignorance on the ford product then please explain how.

sorry karlos but you simply did not read the post as it was written and you got you back up in deffence of a car that was not actualy being critacised.
 
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but a TTV6 as stated before wont be anything like a I6T or a V8 if this is ignorance on the ford product then please explain how.

sorry karlos but you simply did not read the post as it was written and you got you back up in deffence of a car that was not actualy being critacised.

It's not! Your other nonsense is though... You didn't even understand the benefits of launch control, or even know it was standard for that matter. No it's not used all the time - it's a user preference. But if I want to get up and go with no performance lag, it's how I do it.

Both Karlos and I love our Holdens but also love our Fords. As far as I know, we speak from plenty of experience with both Holden and Ford driving. I'm not trying to say one product is outright better than the other. And it comes down to personal preference. But for me, the I6T cannot be beaten on performance when compared directly with the Holden V8. But the Holden V8 is AWESOME! And I do miss the exhaust note.
 

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Why do people think GM HAS to have DOHC cams to be competitive?

All that fancy **** is all well and good, but it doesn't guarantee performance. Look at Fords last effort before the coyote.
Variable valve time just lets them dodge the emission's. It has its performance applications but I guess when you off-set the cost of producing it with the benefits its probably not that greater bang for buck.
I will guarantee you its expensive as hell to modify. (Speaking from experience)

Frankly I think that all you people screaming for fancy new gadgets and extra acronyms on the boot lid, simply don't understand how a ICE actually works.
 
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