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strange stalling then kept going

Discussion in 'VR - VS Holden Commodore (1993 - 1997)' started by losh1971, Feb 5, 2019.

  1. lwessel

    lwessel Active Member

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    Yeah true but i put my details of car in as you can see from first pic and it said it would fit my car wasnt havin a stab at ya just letting @losh1971 know
     
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    It's all good.....I didn't interpret your post as if you were :)

    I presume that you and losh1971 have communicated somewhere else on the forum from his comment "I assumed you too had a V6"

    Can I politely suggest that in the future to avoid any confusion between yourself and other members, that if you want to respond to a specific member that you quote one of their posts and reply
    Explains why I had no idea what you were on about and replied with "It's different to the plug on your 5 litre ? ? ? ? ? ?" when you've quoted my post and your reply was actually meant for another member
     
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    Ute is currently at the mech's workshop getting diagnosed. Funny thing is the issue has not reappeared since the RACT wiggled plugs and poured water on things. I have left the code up in case he wants to run his scan tool. I'm leaning towards an issue with the DFI plug. Since I would have thought if it were DFI module it would have stopped and probably not got going again. I also think if it was the CAS it would have stopped more often in the hot weather than it did. Also considering it's not a very old sensor I'm thinking it's unlikely to be a failing CAS.
    I will pop up the answer once I hear back from the mech later this arvo. That is if he can actually figure out what cause it to stall. If he can't I will clean the plug and fit a new DFI in the next month or so just to be safe.
     
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    Mech checked the DFI plus and all looks good. FPR was working fine as it should. He cleared the history of old codes that obviously I can not as they are nearly a year old and no longer showing up. He said he could not ascertain what the problem was. So basically I need to just drive it and either hope I am in mob range and can get the vehicle towed to him to sort or hope that I can get it started again. Guess the go is to buy a new DFI to have on hand. Apparently the engine is running sweet, so my interpretation of a miss is actually just me, it must be the way the Buick V6s are. In saying that the miss was not bad I just thought it wasn't quite running perfect. So in other words the miss was all in my head.....:oops: And there I guess lies the problem with the VR V6 these cutting out issues are not always easily diagnosed until they have total failure......
     
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    I hope the check by the mechanic did not cost you a cheque ...
     
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    Only 60 bucks. I was thinking $100. Saved me $120-$130 as I thought my FPR might have been shot, turns out it's fine. So not going to replace it now.
     
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    So it happened again car died and has thrown error 46. I have had the DFI harness checked by a mech and have also replaced the DFI. I managed to start it after 5mins. Any ideas would be great?
     
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    Still sounds like the CAS to me, once it cooled down its good to go. Whats the harmonic balancer like? Any splits in the rubber?
    I wonder if cleaning the earths on the DFI / wiring would help or for that matter all the engine bay earths.

    Code 46 - Ignition Module Fault, which i translate to mean DFI
     
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    Carry water with you when it dies pour water over CAS if it starts faulty CAS.
    How I`ll tell you what happened to me.
    Driving at 60k car cut out I put it neutral turned key it started I **** myself.
    No error code when scanned.
    I guy on a Forum had same thing happened to him.
    Holden got a Tec to drive his car home and work with the Tec2 connected for a week on the 5th day the car cut out and a code came up on the Tec2. Cas fault.
    After that I put a new CAS that`s about 12yrs. ago never had any trouble since.
     
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    Pete i don't think the issue is with heat and CAS. i say that because the engine today and a couple of other times has only been running for less than 10mins.

    I am suspecting the CAS still, even though it is only 2 years old and Delphi.
    I did have a belt shred a fair while back and some of the steel strings wrapped inside the balancer. I had some running rough issues but that stopped once i fished out the strings.
    I am wondering if one might still be caught up inside. I also suspect i have a weeping crank seal although without pulling the balancer i can't confirm that. I read that @immortality described an issue with oil around the sensor doing a similar thing.

    FX i doubt the balancer rubber is the problem as you tend to know on the V6 if the balancer is buggard.
     
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    Just drove three mins up the road and it stalled again. This time i was quick to pour water over the cas and cam sensor. It then fired up straight away. If it is the CAS interesting it failed in around two years, unless the strings have indeed damaged it.
    Bit of a bugger i don't have a puller or i could fit a replacement sensor myself. I'm gonna have to keep it going with cold water until I'm paid for my customer jobs. Just spent my spare funds on a CAI last night, not realising the stalling issue was going to become a real problem, just one day later.
     
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    Hoping to get the ute in to the mech to have the CAS replaced today. Just waiting for him to give me a call on whether he can fit me in. Hopefully he can as I'd rather not risk a break down on the way to work on Monday. Its not a lot of fun breaking down at an intersection, holding up traffic, been there done that.
     
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    Good ol' water trick..dude my brother works with has been doing that on his vl for over 12 months
     
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    Yeah I carry a 5L for that reason. I broke down a couple of months back at a busy intersection. Water got me going but not before traffic banking up. Actually had to sit in the ute and wait for RACT to block traffic as it was too dangerous.
     
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    Ute is currently at the mechanics. He seemed to think he will get it done before close, phewww. Hopefully i won't have any more problems that requires the balancer to come off. I suspect the bill could be close to 100 bucks. For 150 i could buy the special puller needed and do it myself. Anyway it is what it is.
     
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    Well i have the ute back. 50 bucks so happy with that. CAS had no damage, nor was there any wire strands inside the balancer. All i can put it down to is a problem with the sensor, resulting in premature failure. Should have kept the receipt as it might have still been under warranty.
    Only other possibility is the cam sensor but not sure if the crank sensor code would come up if the cam sensor had failed. Here's hoping no more breakdowns.
     
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    I feel your pain, the DFI is an evil demon that really let's the VR VS 6s down.
    After my original one died at around 200k I had to buy 2 replacements over about the next 3 years. And I kept thinking it was the CAS but after replacing the CAS it stalled on the way to work...
     
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    I'm hoping its not the DFI as i have had this stalling for a while now and new DFI hasn't stopped the stalling. I'm putting it down to premature component failure. Quality of sensors don't seem to be as good as they were a few years back.
     

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