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Syria - could it become the next 'cold war' front

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by immortality, Sep 6, 2015.

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  1. Nov 26, 2015 #61
    Rajesh Koothrappali

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    Like this guy - a civilian guarding a US Military Recruiting office. In a state where this is 100% perfectly legal. God Bless America! How it should be here too.

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  2. Nov 26, 2015 #62
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    1 dead pilot only.

    Now I see it slightly differently, this stuff has been happening for a while now. Russia has obviously ignored the warnings, what other option did Turkey have? Either do as they said they would or back down and look like all the other countries that seem to cower from bully boy Putin.

    The thing is, this isn't just happening in Syria, Russia has been sending long range recon aircraft to probe NATO airspace etc, things are starting to sound very much like the good old days of the cold war and I have no doubt that is exactly what Putin wants (to see Russia back as the military might it was of the days of the USSR).

    Fact is that Putin is looking to expand his geopolitical power, I have no doubt that Russian forces in Syria are there for the long haul so airspace conflicts are guaranteed to happen, better they get this out of the way early, everybody learns what the boundaries are and then they can get on with it. This won't turn into a full blown war, more sabre rattling maybe and maybe some minor tit of tat kinda crap but that will be about it.

    Putin doesn't want a full blown war with NATO, Russia just isn't up to it economically but he sure is interested in finding out exactly how far he can push his luck, this is the first time things haven't gone his way. Yes, shooting down of the aircraft probably was a bit extreme but something needed to happen, Putin has done many a dastardly deed and no one has opposed him other than some political mumblings from nations who's opinions Putin just really doesn't care for. Fact is that Putin really only seems to understand force, he's certainly happy to use it annex foreign territories but not so when he's on the receiving end.
     
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  3. Nov 26, 2015 #63
    Rajesh Koothrappali

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    PROBABLY a bit extreme? Pffffft! once again you prove you don't REALLY understand the situation. I mean, credit where it's due - you clearly try to understand, and that's better than most people.

    Obama keeps failing... An intelligent person on the subject said:

    A well-spoken black man in a white house is solely responsible for the rise of this extreme Islam in the form of ISIS.

    His support for Turkey’s downing of a Russian warplane is of course inane, but in line with his radical Islam sympathies. The warplane was shot down over Syrian territory after it had spent no more than 13 seconds clipping a small tongue of Turkish wasteland.

    Ten warnings? In 13 seconds? I don’t think so. Turkish fighters were already in the air in anticipation and they were far too slow to intercept anything, but they shot it down anyway, from behind.

    This incident will not lead to WWIII but it will lead to an economic disaster for a major supporter of ISIS terrorism.

    What a bunch of feckless turkeys these Turks are!
     
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  4. Nov 26, 2015 #64
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    Erdogan in 2012: Brief Airspace Violations Can't Be Pretext for Attack

    Yet, three years ago, Erdogan had somewhat different thoughts on the matter.

    Russia accuses Turkey of 'hypocrisy' after Erdogan admits airspace violation 'does not justify attack' | Europe | News | The Independent

    Turkey wasnt defending its border. It was sending a message.

    Russia is in financial trouble? The best cure for a stagnated economy is a war.
     
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  5. Nov 26, 2015 #65
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    How is what Turkey did a not a "bit extreme" and what Putin has done in the last many years not. If what Turkey did was an isolated incident and Putin was squeaky clean I'd call it extreme, but given the circumstances I say not.

    This really has nothing to do with Obama (other than the fact you seem to have a hard on for him). Get over it.

    The US alone is not responsible for the current crisis in Syria, IS is only a portion of that issue. The greatest genocide has been committed by Assad with the support of Putin and that is fact.

    Is not common that air traffic controllers would have been warning the aircraft not to venture into restricted airspace before it happened rather than during/after? To avoid this incident all that had to happen was for Russian aircraft to stay a safe distance from Turkish airspace but Russia thinks it can do as it likes with impunity. I guess he's learnt now that he can't.

    How about we discuss what Putin has done since coming into power and put the shooting down of this one aircraft into perspective!

    Turkey has the right to defend it's airspace and chose to do so in the most extreme manor having previously warned them. Can't say this happened out of the blue or from been ignorant either.
     
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  6. Nov 26, 2015 #66
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    No warning given. End of story.
     
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    Wait, so because Putin has a habit of puffing his chest out, Turkeys response (to which they have not been on the receiving end of ANYTHING) is not extreme? Are you saying its fine because of his actions in Ukraine? What does Turkey have to do with that?
     
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    Just watch Russia Tonight they tell how Russia's never the aggressor , lol

    Russia's the bully who just got slapped, putin will not forget, it has already put things in motion,
    1st thing acknowledging the Armenian genocide

    Turkey's trying to get NATO involved so it can do a 20km 'No fly zone' aka land grab,
    there by justifying it's slaughter of Kurds, and to halt their formation of a sovereign nation ,
    I feel for the Kurds, the Iraqi surrender monkeys are trying to screw them too.
     
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    Two things:

    1. Everyone on the planet knows that Russia has sky gear everywhere, planes, orbitals, subs, etc. Just like everyone know that the US, the Brits and even Australia are doing covert skying themselves. Russia isn't shooting down NATO sky planes and the US isn't shooting down Russian planes. Even in the incident earlier this year I think where Russian jets came within 2km of a US aircraft carrier. Everyone had planes in the air, the Russias moved on and there where harsh words said.
    Then stupid ass Turkey goes shooting down single plane over it being in their airspace for 10-30 seconds. It wasn't near anything of significance, it wasn't heading towards anything of significance, it was just chest beating and they shot it down directly resulting in the dead one one pilot and one Russian marine.

    2. Rest assured, Putin doesn't care about the economic impacts. If there was a war, there would be no economy to worry about... GLOBALLY.

    The final thing here being, Turkey did this ONLY because they know that the rest of NATO are BOUND to support them, even if they don't want to.

    But by far the absolute worse thing about the situation, is just weeks ago there was a glimmer of hope that Russia was going to get serious about ISIS and by a miracle, potentially collaborate with the US and the rest of NATO is destroying that organisation. This was going to be awesome balls, because Putin would have walked hundreds of thousands of troops into the area and annihilated ISIS. Something that the rest of NATO cannot do due to the BS situation.

    But with one swift and utterly selfish, egotistic and cowardly act, Erdogan has pissed all that away, potentially fractured the NATO alliance and pissed on one angry bear that has been largely dormant for a really long time.

    Putin won't go to war with NATO, becomes he is bigger than his ego and won't destroy the world to prove a point. If we had the likes of Erdogan in control of a power like Russia, right now we would be facing the end of the world.
     
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  10. Nov 27, 2015 #70
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    Looks like Putin has a lot of fans on this forum!

    Putin cares about his own Geopolitical goals and only those goals, using IS as an excuse to move a large chunk of Russian military hardware closer to NATO. The plane that was shot down wasn't even targeting IS fighters from what I can see.

    If Putin was serious about sorting out the IS problem he wouldn't have veto'd a number of resolutions in the UN.

    Russia hasn't been dormant, they've been up to plenty but because it hasn't effected Western nations it doesn't make headline news much.
     
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    I'll just add this,

    In my opinion Putin is an evil man with evil intent.
     
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    Easy solution, we will send Tony over to shirtfront him
     
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    As long as you're comfortable with the fact that your opinion is worth no more than mine :p
     
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    ;) ...........
     
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    So it all boils down to gas , the supply of gas to europe Syrian war explainer: Is it all about a gas pipeline?

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    Doesn't it always boil down to fossil fuels.......
     
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    Here is my post in 25-09-2014,#04:54 AM#217 on this thread

     
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