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Takata airbag vehicle buy back

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by zero_tolerance, Mar 3, 2020.

  1. zero_tolerance

    zero_tolerance Donating Member

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    Manufacturers have begun buying back vehicles fitted with takata airbags which have been deemed uneconomical to replace. Owners have been offered market value for their cars and they really have no choice but to take what they are given as their cars are deemed to be stat writeoffs due to the airbags.

    Interestingly, they are popping up for sale at pickles auctions. Not able to be used on the road ever again, but would make a great beater to drive around a farm/property.
    As an example, here is a list of perfectly good Honda crv's being sold for scrap value.
    https://www.pickles.com.au/damaged-...oductType.Vehicles._.Year.range(1998..2000).)

    So far I have heard of Honda, Toyota, BMW and Audi buying back cars from owners. Most are from around 1998-2001. Looks like the auctions are going to be full of these in the coming months.
    I'm really glad there are no Commodores involved in this.
     
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    Be interesting to see how much they go for. It would be possible for me to get to Gateshead for the start of the auction, but my interest level is not that high. Not even useful for spare parts because there will be none left needing spare parts.
    Good point about a farm buggy, a role that the old Suzuki Sierra ute filled.

    Something I am curious about, if the airbag was removed, would the car be roadworthy, and be allowed to continue be driven on the roads. It would be no worse than driving a car that had no airbag fitted when new.
     
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    If the car came from factory with airbag , and was part of the road worthy certification I’d imagine it would be deemed unroadworthy and ordered off the road
     
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    Agree.
    But in the Un-united States of Australia, where road rules and vehicles registration are uniform across the country, (just interpreted differently with multiple amendments and addendums by the individual States), it could be OK.
    NSW has banned 'airbag' cars from re-registration. A write-off in NSW is that … gone, finished.
    It appears that Victoria can still re-birth write-off, as per a thread here. Victoria deems a hail dented car as unroadworthy.
    Qld only requires a roadworthy when the car is sold.
    (If any of the above statements are wrong, I am happy to be corrected.)
     
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    So is Honda refusing to replace the air bags in these cars and saying it's too expensive for them?
     
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    HONDA is NOT replacing airbags but is buying back your vehicle at market value, and I believe crushing it. Well done HONDA.
    I'm finding it VERY hard to understand after all these years of warnings we still have these very dangerous vehicles on our roads.
    What is WRONG with people?
     
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    Yes I get that Gossie, I'm just curious if the owners are given the option of a new air bag or buy back or is the buy back compulsory?
     
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    They aren't crushing them, they are removing the airbags and then auctioning them off as stat writeoffs at Pickles as per the link.
     
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    They aren't giving the option of new airbags as they have deemed it uneconomical to develop and engineer new airbags for these cars.
     
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    Not enough server space to answer that.
     
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    NSW doesn't differentiate between statutory write off and repairable writeoff ?
     
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    Wade though this...…… https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/get-nsw-registration/written-off.html
    Too complicated for me.
    Some of the cars I have seen in panel beater's repair yards with a Stat Write-off sticker look showroom condition, but have been water damaged. Others look like they just need a new bumper, lights and guards.
     
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    Vehicle write off status is notified to the registration authorities, with codes that related to type of damage. This is usually done by insurance companies who make the determination if it is economical to repair or not (= repairable writeoff) or it it some structural issue (= statutory writeoff).

    The former can be returned to the road after jumping through hoops while the later can never be returned to road duties so they are used as spare parts or crushed (depending on writeoff code). Seemingly good cars can be statutory writeoffs because they have been dunked in fresh water. But if they’ve been in fresh water for too long or in salt water, they can’t even be used for parts.

    Whenever a rego authority is notified of a writeoff, such data is added to the national NEDVIS database. Each state has somewhat different rules as to how a repairable writeoff can be put back on the road but all states ban repair and reregistration of statutory writeoffs.

    In this Takata buy back, it seems the vehicle manufacturers are sending data to the rego authorities or maybe NEVDIS directly (it doesn’t matter).

    The real issue is why would anyone accept market value of a product that has a major fault that can’t be repaired? Even though ACL is relatively new, similar state based laws provided somewhat similar protection, so it would be much better to lobby for full purchase refund and you may be able to get better than market value ;)

    As for removing the airbag and driving ones exTakata car on the road, that would definitely be illegal. Otherwise, if it wasn’t illegal, I’d expect the manufacturers would have removed the airbags and compensated the owners a few grand for their trouble and called it a day. Such would have been much more cost effective for the manufacturer but they are forced to buy back because of other economic restrictions (too costly to reengineer airbags for these old cars) :rolleyes:
     
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    Noticed today on the corner of Sharps Rd and Airport dr Tullamarine (Vic) there is a large yard full of Honda crv's and accords, some of them stacked 2 high! Looks to be at least a couple of hundred cars there.
     

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