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The gift that keeps on giving - service ESP warning

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by Ron Burgundy, Apr 26, 2019.

  1. Ron Burgundy

    Ron Burgundy Well-Known Member

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    1. Restarted the car after filling up at a servo and it seemed to struggle to start. Like when the battery is not ok. Did not think much of it.
    2. Came home ... Restarted..same thing.
    3. Went out and drove around for a bit....stopped the car and restarted after 5 min - struggled to start, rough idle (like misfire) and the Service ESP light came on the dash. The car felt like crap.
    4. Turned it off and turned it back on after 10 min and all seems fine.
    5. Came home and restarted it again and it seemed okay.

    WTF ?!?!
    Could this be the sign of bad battery ? Ignition related? Fuel related ? Starter motor ?
    Black calipers LOL
     
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  3. Ron Burgundy

    Ron Burgundy Well-Known Member

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    **** yeah
     
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    Injectors?
     
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    Possibly...
    Apparently common...
     
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    battery has sat around for a while
     
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    Battery sat around only for 2 weeks ...two weeks ago at the dealership.

    Also between june and oct 3 yrs ago when the car was new at the dealership. June build...sold to me in mid oct.
     
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    Hi Ron, my first injector that went did a similar thing. The warning lights and misfire were intermittent at first, so I thought it may have been some bad fuel or other, but over a period of a few days it gradually got worse until it was constant.

    Could be something else, but odds on it's an injector.:(
     
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    service esp will just be a sensor or some part that involves running of the engine (injectors, coils, maf ect) id check the ohms of the injectors see what they are like and also check them when engines is fully warmed up and heat soaked see if there is much difference
     
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    Wasn’t this engine replaced to resolve piston slap issues? As such, injectors and many sensors are new unless part of the the ancillary equipment that was transferred across from the old motor. In theory not so much for the dealer to check ;)

    But I’d first look at my fuel receipt to make sure I put in what I wanted to put in (some have said going from 98 to 95 or 91 or vice versa can cause idle issues - odd on an engine that can take all versions sold in Aus though Holden says 95 recommend).

    In any case I’d be fuming and back at the dealers demanding an explanation. I wouldn’t try and fault find the issue myself as I’d likely be over the Holden ownership experience :eek:

    Guess it’s way overdue for our legislators to bring well defined lemon laws so in such instances of multiple faults and frustrations one can simply return the vehicle and get a refund. ACL allows for such but it’s more convoluted than it needs to be and not clearly spelt out (so regulator captured interpretations creep in).
     
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    Manifold and injectors etc were transferred from the old engine.

    I think it might be battery as well as it was quite hard to turn over...
     
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    ^ it is the gift that keeps on giving :oops:

    Thought they’d have done a cursory check of all equipment transferred across, especially injectors since they are known to be problematic on some LS3’s.

    Holden, quality in design, manufacture and service... o_O
     
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    Just checked the battery with multimeter..
    It's 12.37 volts...

    My understanding is that it should be at least 12.6v...

    Just called nrma roadside to check it out. At least they will be able to tell me if it is the battery for sure...

    Would the factory battery be covered under warranty ? I got the car in Oct 2016

    Edit. Warranty booklet says 1 yr warranty on the battery...
     
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    Nrma came out
    The battery seems good

    No errors logged either...
     
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    Was your hard to start...
    Like struggling to crank over ?
     
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    Mine starts and runs perfectly fine since last night...
     
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    No not hard to start. It would either start with the misfire straight away, or would start ok, and drive for a few minutes fine until the misfiring started up again. From memory this was over a period of about 2-3 days until it was misfiring constantly, which is when I took it to Holden.

    When the 2nd injector went, the experience was similar, but I took it to Holden the day after it started as I knew it would most likely be the same thing.
     
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    Ok. Cheers bruz
     
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    Even though NRMA guy said battery was fine...i would not be suprised if it is on the way out...
     
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    Did you try charging it and then multimeter check after to see how much charge it holds. 12.37 should still be good for 50-75% charge in our climate.
     

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