To Buy Or not to buy

with that kind of trade in i say its not worth personally i like the VZ better than the new VE, it youd fetch a better price in comparison if you kept the car till it hit 100 thou and went to sell it, providing petrol prices havent raped australia of its large car industry youd probably end up getting like $15000 private sale for it when time comes to sell and have had good use out of it

 

I'd keep the VZ a bit longer. That's a lot of money to throw away. You've effectively got a new car as it is. If you're keen to get a VE I'd still wait as there may be teething issues with the VE. The VZ is now a proven quantity. Personally, I think the VZ looks better

 

I would say wait til the series 2... Direct Injection baby!

If you hold off and get direct injection, fuel economy will be down to under 10L per 100km with any luck and 12% more power or there abouts!

 

Patience can be a virtue!

I have always been reluctant to buy a new model first up.

I have had great reliability (and a very good price) from buying the last of the brred, i.e. VL, VSII and VYII.

I know that VZ is the last of the "breed", but I bought the VYII as a manual executive was not to be available on the VZ.

That said, there looks to be lots to like about the VE.

Head says stay with VZ. What does the heart say?

 

Tomorrow never comes......

...cars are a bad financial investment - once you accept that - the money side is no longer an issue.

That said- there will always be refinements, newer models etc etc. if we all waited for the final final model - we would never buy the car.

The VE is streets ahead of the VZ- if you like your commodores and you can ignore the financial pain - I would go for it just for the sheer driving improvement.:thumbsup:

If you can't get over the financial pain - stick with the VZ - until the VG comes along!!

 

did u drive the VE?

if not then do urself a favour and drive it, then u will know what to do

 

I'd hold out longer, perhaps until the VEII or the model after - I wouldn't buy the first of the series myself. Your VZ is practically new, and with only a touch over 5,000kms it doesn't seem worth it. The VZs have already lost a good portion of their resale value anyway.

 

New cars in particular are an awful investment, 2nd-hand near new ones much less so. If money was no object you wouldn't be asking the question, so....

Don't buy new....wait for 6 months and pick up a 2nd-hand one that's already lost its showroom markup. The dealers never give you anywhere market price on your trade (for obvious reasons) and with a brand new model you have no grounds at all for any discount.

In the meantime, advertise your current car privately (only costs $20 to put it on the net) and put top dollar on it. If it sells before you're ready, it will only be because you got your high asking price (rather than a pitiful trade-in price) and therefore are free to buy whatever you like. If it doesn't sell, at least you can pick up a VE with a few km on it and get a hefty "discount" on new price.

Given the amount of driving you do, I don't see you you could justify the cost of change-over...especially given that exactly the same thing will happen again in a couple years time when you want to get out of the VE into something else...my 2c

 

We all know new cars are a bad investment , hold out and buy a 2nd hand one a few months down the track with low kms , let the new car buyer cop the early deprecation (SP}

 

do what your heart tells you because your brain will tell you ANY new car is a bad financial decision full stop.

some ppl just want new cars and prefer to pay the premium so if thats what you want then go and order that VE....but sell your car privately coz you definitaley will get more.

me personally, wouldnt upgrade for a couple of reasons:
1. i dont like buying series one...especially new and yes i have read comments above so flame me if you like
2. you have a near new VZ in perfect working condition and the fact that you have put so little kms on it its not worth giving up

but at the end of the day its your decision and remember make it with your heart and not your mind

 

LOL you are a Holden salesman are you not? Sorry no offence intended just seems like you were doing your job there haha. I do agree with you though.

 

BTW U could prb confirm this but I heard they have sold around 3000 Private VE's not to mention the fleet. and i heard they they are struggling to keep up the suppliers especially. You would know about this wouldnt u?

 

I know HSV's are a different bag, but I was told today that if I ordered a VE Clubsport today, I might get it by Christmas. Also heard somewhere that VE's are selling much faster than expected.... long waiting lists coming.

 

Well if you can wait a year and a half, then you should get direct injection which means 10% better fuel economy and 12% more power plus I would think the 6 speed auto (6L50 for the V6 not the current 6L80 used in the V8's) will be an option as well on the Omega and Berlina's too as it is now an option on the BF II. So I say wait 18 months as they are pretty big upgrades in my opinion.

But of course you could wait forever as there will always be upgrades... I just think things like a 6 speed auto and direct injection do not come in with every model, and drivetrain upgrades such as those are more important imo than slight facelifts or small interior changes as in the long run, they will make no difference to the value of the car, where as drivetrain upgrades such as these will remain a big selling point.

 

There will be a VE II... Give it 12 - 18 months or so. Just like there will be a VF which will also facelift the VE & VE II (think VT to VX).

I predict the benefits for waiting for a VE II are:

DoD for the V8s.
Direct Injection.
Diesel and/or Turbo Diesel Engine options.
6 Speed Automatic. At least for the SV6, Calais and Calais V. The Omega and Berlina may just get the current 5 Speed but I doubt the 4 Speed will see another update.
Flip Keys standard across the range (at least they're optional for the models that don't have them as standard at the moment).
And of course all the refinement and tweaking changes that happen for all Series IIs.

These are just some of the options Holden has. Whether or not they choose to do all or some (or god forbid, ANY) of these hanges for the VE II or leave some for the VF remains to be seen. But the focus for VE II to VF will be styling/looks.

Can anyone else predict what the VE II will get? What changes etc?

 

To who? Fleet buyers don't care and they're the biggest segment of buyers - meaning most second hand cars will be whatever the fleers buy. Mums and Dads want a functional, economical & safe car that also looks good to them. The "how" and "why" of a car is not important to them. The enthusiast (still the minority) is the only buyer that will choose to wait for technology such as direct injection or a 6 speed auto.

 

All agreed with except for DOD for the V8's. The L98 is no longer compatible with GM's DOD system, unlike the L76 which was in the VZ. No DOD for VE V8's.

 

If you read my post correctly and didnt quote out of context you would notice I am talking about the VALUE OF THE CAR, i.e. when selling. A VE series 2 with direct injection, 10% more fuel efficient, 12% more power and a 6 speed auto amongst other changes will be worth much more in a few years than a 4 speed auto Omega without direct injection.

We are not talking about fleet buyers here, this is a private buyer. And look at a carby 3.3L VK compared to the fuel injected version... Over the years which was worth more? This is the same situation with direct injection.

Plus are you telling me that fleet buyers arent interested in 10% better fuel economy for their fleet cars?! If I was a fleet buyer and had say 20 VE's, I wouldnt mind saving 10% fuel every week per car... that means pretty large savings across the board! We are talking equivalent fuel economy here to the 4 cylinder Toyota Camry, if not LESS with the 6 speed auto.