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Discussion in 'News/Updates' started by Reaper, Oct 10, 2012.

  1. vongy10

    vongy10 Active Member

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    Have heard that they will be bringing out a turbo v6 to improve economy. Gotta remember that Ford lost a lot of V8 sales when they brought out the inline six turbo motors.
     
  2. Reaper

    Reaper Tells it like it is.

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    They are. Weather it ever finds it's way into a Commodore is entirely unknown at the moment.

    The cost and logistics of packaging a turbo V6 is exponentially higher than turbo'ing an i6. As for improving economy - compared to what? The current range of SIDI motors are *very* economical and even more so when you take into account the amount of mass they push around. You could argue Ford lost near all it's V8 sales when it dropped the XR8. The Australian Ford I6 is very much a world wide oddity. It's really a shame that FOMOCO mother ship in Dearborne have pretty much made it their mission to nobble Ford Aus at every turn for the last 20 years :(

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  3. Full Spectrum

    Full Spectrum Bro it's a VW your Audi!

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    No Fords biggest mistake was making a 6 turbo that killed the V8 in everyway bar sound.

    Holden will never make that same mistake.. V8's (example only) 300kw 550Nm. V6-TT 250kw 450Nm. There will never be a a V6 beating V8 so long as Holden builds V8's. That's not to say they wont make a slick V6.

    Go back to the Super6 and V8's. Sources say Holden cut down the power figures because it was more powerful than their V8's of the time.
     
  4. Reaper

    Reaper Tells it like it is.

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    why is that a mistake?

    Holden will never make that same mistake.. V8's (example only) 300kw 550Nm. V6-TT 250kw 450Nm. There will never be a a V6 beating V8 so long as Holden builds V8's. That's not to say they wont make a slick V6.[/quote]

    I'd contend that's more a comment on the V6 than the V8.

    The 6 cyl transport & V8 performance mantra is fine by me. Many disagree but meh. As for the super 6 cut down because of the v8. It's bullshit. They did have mules wound up more but several burned to the ground at Langlang. What they had was top of the tree that could also be ADR'ed and warranted.

    Reaper
     
  5. Full Spectrum

    Full Spectrum Bro it's a VW your Audi!

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    Because holden needs some healthy V8 competition and ford didn't provide it. Where's their v8's now? where is the Xr8?. More than likely not to be seen again.


    A turbo V6 could easily be more powerful than a V8. However Holden wont have it. They would rape its balls castrate it to barely hold a whimper next to their V8.

    They didn't cut the power they fudged the power figures.
     
  6. Kiddo

    Kiddo You're serious bro?!

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    Ahhhhh this old debate again.

    We can't guess at what holden will do. Too many different variables and things that can go wrong. Or right. Or left/up/down.

    Your never going to 100% know what a business will do until they do it. So I'm just gonna sit back, and enjoy the ride.
     
  7. salute the ute

    salute the ute DRIVING IS A PASSION

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    Of course but its a little bit of fun that adds to the excitement of it all.
     
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    AirStrike Administrator Staff Member

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    More cubes!!!!!
     
  9. Reaper

    Reaper Tells it like it is.

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    Cubes and boost ftw!

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    Drawnnite Obviously Unsensible

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    wonder how long until the 572 becomes the norm in the holden line up.
    afterall, they are always going bigger and bigger
     
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    or maybe go an electric battery setup hahahahaha
     
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    The VF is not far away at all. Holden is already pushing Z series Commodores. Which is what they do when the are trying to run down stocks (Just like what they did with the VZ Z series etc), so they have minimal to discount while selling side by side with a new model. A family friend of mine was one of the team who designed the Coulson seats for the VT series HSVs and right now and for the last 4 months he has been contracted to the firm who is designing the 2013 HSV interiors. He wont say what its like except for updated and different haha. So F Series has been underway for atleast 5 months. I'd expect teaser photos in weeks.
     
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    nothing wrong with electric motors for the front wheels.... economy and instant torque....... Id only like it if it had a RWD only mode :p Still better than an LPG HSV *Vomit
     
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    One can only hope.
     
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    The reason GM hasn't gone to OHV OHC 32 valve is simple - and complex too.

    The performance benefits don't really outweigh the cost benefits.

    While the limitations of DOHC etc are higher, if you take similarly designed engines, of same capacity, same compression ratio, same induction method and same fuel delivery method, there is 3/5's of stuff all difference between outputs.

    OHC increases deck height, parts count, system complexity, decreases reliability and cost.

    OHV lowers centre of balance and is cheap.

    Consider the following

    210 hp (157 kW) @ 6500 rpm 194 lb·ft (263 N·m) @ 3300 rpm - Cadillac 2792 CC V6 DOHC - 0.056 Kw / CC on a c ratio of 10.1:1
    2004–2005 Holden VZ Commodore 235 hp (175 kW) @ 6000 rpm 236 lb·ft (320 N·m) @ 2800 rpm 0.048 kW / CC on a c ration of 9.2
    2006–2007 231 hp (172 kW) @ 6000 rpm 236 lb·ft (320 N·m) @ 2800 rpm - 0.0484 kW / CC on a c ratio of 9
    Current ford inline 6 OHC 195 kW (261 hp) 391 N·m (288 lb·ft) 0.0487 kW / cc at a c ratio of 9.7:1
    2008–2011 Cadillac CTS 304 hp (227 kW) @ 6400 rpm 273 lb·ft (370 N·m) @ 5200 rpm
    RB30E - 2962CC 9.0:1 114kW - 0.385 kW / cc .

    As you can see - capacity and compression ratio have a more pronounced effect on performance than cam and valve layout.

    By the way - all forced induction does is artifically lift the compression ratio.
     

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